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thestringpuller: punkman: i'll rephrase "The Foundation gives me hope" :P
punkman: thestringpuller: I guess answer to my own question, "WoT provides practical solution". If derp wants to learn, learn from trusted teacher in WoT. << /me is waiting for Ada master in need of apprentice
mircea_popescu: mod6 ah makes sense, i was working off the prev release, which is actually incorrect.
mod6: anyway, jsut checking because I got asked about this separately.
mod6: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2016#1379586 << so i had the entire tree (all current patches in http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/patches) pressed out through alf's latest two. then i made the changes. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: i gotta say the lulz delivery is satisfactory.
thestringpuller: i need to find that article you wrote
shinohai: "I admire Dr. Pieter Wuille’s brilliant hack to deploy it as a soft fork. But despite being brilliant, the soft fork Segregated Witness is still a hack. A hack is dirty. Such a technology would be better implemented as hard fork.”
shinohai: I figured they weren't gonna say much until an "official announcement" despite Garzik trying to fly over and garner Classic support.
shinohai: Hey BingoBoingo I emailed them twice, no one ever responded.
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell shinohai I am disappoint (sarcasm) https://archive.is/TYwxs
asciilifeform: but not sure how i came upon this.
asciilifeform: i was somehow under the idea that the romans lounged around in their communal shitters, both sexes, for hours at a stretch, for no particularly good reason, just chit-chat
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'm not entirely sure.
mircea_popescu: i don't think most paradigms... to call personal ideologies thusly, do not allow for emergence specifically
asciilifeform: i suspect that ~emergence~ is a difficult concept for people. e.g., the fact that the digits of 'pi' are not in any sense 'random'
asciilifeform: every once in a while, i run into somebody like this
assbot: Logged on 21-01-2016 10:04:15; copypaste: i have a high BMI, but only because my spine collapsed due to my condition which takes many inches off my height. but even then BMI is only 31.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2016#1379535 << i don't think bmi is intended to cover that case. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: i'm not reading now either, just had some summaries made by a rule
thestringpuller: and I thought Linux was ideal, but it turns out even that is bastardized.
thestringpuller: I learned to code on MSVC lol. QBasic -> MSVC_6 -> Linux
asciilifeform: i think mircea_popescu is really enjoying this, somehow
asciilifeform: i've never known any thinking folk who actually relied on 'public education' for any useful thing they knew.
thestringpuller: In fact when I was thinking of going into education one of the courses I took harped on the fact that the best mode of teaching is pairing a real expert with student apprenticeship style.
thestringpuller: I guess answer to my own question, "WoT provides practical solution". If derp wants to learn, learn from trusted teacher in WoT.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no i meant just above.
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thestringpuller: asciilifeform: I know it's l0l cuz I spend my life making robots to do my slave labor for me. I feel bad for the robots tho. I dunno man. Working in web dev, the developers are insane. It's like everyone wants to use some new unproven technology Y before fixing technology X first that it's built upon.
asciilifeform: fwiw, unlike some folks, i appreciate this gift. sorta like when doctor tells 'you have six months'. would you rather be surprised ?
asciilifeform: when i push it out, nothing in it
asciilifeform: i say 'no way.' next day...
asciilifeform: he said 'i will give you a gift! a real computer!'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: when i was a small boy, my elder brother taught me a lesson once: ☟︎
mircea_popescu: so... you want to know why i'm trampling all over this grep dump rioght now ? it... it fucking winked!
assbot: Logged on 21-01-2016 17:47:17; asciilifeform: whenever i hear about mircea_popescu's 'free men', i think of... chessboxing.
assbot: Logged on 21-01-2016 17:47:49; asciilifeform: yes, there are folks who are serious chessboxers. but for some reason i've never heard of such a fella winning a world chess OR boxing title.
assbot: Logged on 21-01-2016 12:38:53; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2016#1379483 << this reminds me of that "i'll be sober in the morning - you'll still be ugly" line.
mircea_popescu: i think ima end up with fucking dead pixels that satoshi burned.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i was thinking that would go later.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i would much like a complete list of boost structures, with analysis.
asciilifeform: incidentally not so long ago i felt the desire to rewrite chunks of trb to abolish boost
mircea_popescu: oh i thought it had some implicit termination, nm.
mircea_popescu: ./main.cpp- for (;;) << i don't get it, if it's going to do plain for(;;) why the fuck does it want the fancy boost_foreach ?
asciilifeform: hey i knew a few.
mircea_popescu: i suppose programmers also don't get to know about respectable hatmans ?
asciilifeform: somehow i escaped this in ukr school
asciilifeform: and mircea_popescu is correct re: that i cannot possibly have any idea ~why~ peter 1 did what he did.
asciilifeform: i suppose herr ceausescu would be a counter-example
mircea_popescu: i even know some dogs.
mircea_popescu: and the idea is inept. yes i know a lot of "respectable folk". i also know a lot of common whores. and everything in between.
asciilifeform: and from mircea_popescu's articles i get the impression that his meatspace friends are respectable folk, 'high power' lawyers, traders, etc. rather than cpp connoisseurs
asciilifeform: i'd be worried if mircea_popescu ~did~ see merit, would suspect that the universe is coming unglued
mircea_popescu: i can't say i see merit in any of these propositions.
asciilifeform: but as far as i'm aware, there is no biological 'programmer race'
asciilifeform: i suspect that learning to program is a fundamentally insane act.
asciilifeform: now i've never actually met a chess-boxer. but it would not astonish me if i learned that they keep the company of other boxers and regard actual Großmeisters, who devoted their lives to chess, as effete lusers.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> whenever i hear about mircea_popescu's 'free men', i think of... chessboxing. << pfff. nonsense.
asciilifeform: this applies to EVERY SINGLE CASE of 'freed' programming type i've ever met or so much as heard of.
asciilifeform: 'polymath' i suspect would describe most of the folks here. but the point i was trying to make is that in many ways certain aspects of mircea_popescu's picture in http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2016#1379901 are intrinsically opposed ☝︎
thestringpuller: this reminds me of the heinlein quote: "A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for i
asciilifeform: yes, there are folks who are serious chessboxers. but for some reason i've never heard of such a fella winning a world chess OR boxing title. ☟︎
asciilifeform: whenever i hear about mircea_popescu's 'free men', i think of... chessboxing. ☟︎
thestringpuller: how programming == data entry, I don't know
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: if you knew what i do for money today you would barf to death.
thestringpuller: but i don't think that results in freedom
asciilifeform: and also don't wait for me to write a fits-in-head and provably non-misbehaving btc client, even though i would much like to, know exactly how, and even have bits'n'pieces sitting around. because instead of this i'm stuck doing pointless crud in шарашка, so as to eat.
asciilifeform: i did say, in the very beginning, 'i want this in a book, as a reference' etc
mircea_popescu: "i guess this really should start counting at -2"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno how classical. perhaps in the gavin aka retarded sense of classical,
mircea_popescu: i should like to visit this algebra sometime.
asciilifeform: and as i described (and i think ben_vulpes did even earlier) the thing isn't ~actually~ multithreaded, in the sense of being able to evaluate multiple requests in parallel
mircea_popescu: omfg ok i need a break
mircea_popescu: before i couldn't do merchant of venice because broken tools. now can't because instead going through 10k lines dump to find the junk.
asciilifeform: until recently i used this www for just about all trb study
mircea_popescu: i hadn't priorly noticed. what's one to do
mircea_popescu: i have meanwhile noticed
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform prior to the article i'm writing now, i had naively believed the thing is some standard library imported from whenever
asciilifeform: l0l i can't wait till mircea_popescu discovers all of the 'wonders'
mircea_popescu: ie, "this cpu normally does 4ghz, i run it at 8. it's doing so much more for me than... oops, it popped. need a new cpu"
thestringpuller: i wish I knew women that cooked
mircea_popescu: i have no idea. but it'll include fig bars!
shinohai: mod6 Load up those 7 hookers you spoke of last night and come over. I got lox and eggs.
mod6: ok, i'm gonna go have an orange.
mod6: i am about to eat a decent breakfast in like 1.5 hours.
mod6: i'll see if i can get to it today, and give it a try myself.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6, shinohai: the version string patch works. BUT you will always see the default version in the boot log!! << personally I haven't even tried this yet. but I think he was saying that he checked the getinfo and that hadn't updated either.
assbot: Logged on 18-01-2016 19:16:29; ascii_butugychag: i assume that everybody here has at least seen a page of talmud ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i've met ro dudes who go by nicknames, e.g., cata (catalin) etc
shinohai: ah now I understand asciilifeform thx
mircea_popescu: i don't think the difference was ever stressed enough or for that matter all that well understood. what "big studios" do for software, ie, throwaway crap that's not expected to a) work for everyone or b) work for more than a few years is VERY STRICTLY opposite to what bitcoin does.
assbot: Logged on 20-01-2016 23:46:05; shinohai: Also mod6 re: version strings, placing flags first had zero effect so I probably did something wrong. :/
assbot: Logged on 21-01-2016 15:31:59; mircea_popescu: i suspect this is also msvc widgetry.
thestringpuller: Ah this takes the cake: "I had to reload Reddit like 4 times before it started working. If reddit wants me as a customer, they should increase their blocksize"
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6: what was this about 'snags' with the version patch ? << i'll dig it up, just a sec.
asciilifeform: i can't seem to find it in the logz
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> well, i do think to some degree your patch should be restated, but not in the sense of replacing it altogether << yeah, ok. i'll do some work here today / tonight, do a re-test and the hopefully get it to the ML before the week is out.
mircea_popescu: i also don't fix any of the combustion engines that i own by myself - even if once i took apart and put back together a trabant.
mircea_popescu is loath to do too much of that sort, because as correctly pointed out, mircea_popescu is a noob in the low level technical sense. without an array of experts to advise and correct, i'll just fuck everything up.
mod6: Was thinking of putting in alf's latest two also -- but I think we need some confirmation on at least the version string one. shinohai was having some snags with it.