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mod6: Ok sounds good mircea_popescu. I'll stop my current work on the high/low patch. I'll spend this week getting the changes [.wot in the pwd, and mechanical post-patch hash checking] in V [v99996] released. Then I'll immediately begin work on a re-alignment of all the patches we currently are distributing.
assbot: Logged on 25-01-2016 01:23:27; mod6: so what we want, is three different ways: no force one way or another, force high, or force low. remember, i originally didn't want to do a force high at all. but since asciilifeform requested this, i'm entertaining this option.
mod6: i suppose if we continue to use ECDSA_sign, we can continue to use: memcpy(&vchSig[0], pchSig, nSize);
mod6: I'm not an expert on the openssl internals. If you think I should not trust ECDSA_do_sign and reimplment with ECDSA_sign, I can. ☟︎
mod6: anyway, asciilifeform yeah, i just grabbed that entire bit of code from here: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/v0.9.3/src/key.cpp#L202-L227
asciilifeform: but i do not know the difference
asciilifeform: mod6: i've no idea
mod6: i believe my implementation to be correct. ☟︎
mod6: i think there seems to be questions around why i have two booleans.
mod6: which is why i added that part.
mod6: and asciilifeform, keep in mind that this is a *must* fix. i think that is vastly important that we discuss this in channel.
ben_vulpes: i have a hard time giving a shit about the ergonomics when it's covered in finger-snipping blades already.
mod6: polarbeard: keep in mind that i considered all of this over a week ago -- and decided against it. so yeah, i have put a lot of thought into this.
mod6: from a user standpoint, i feel like its more conusing anyway.
mod6: right, i'd prefer not to use an int.
mod6: remember, i want a default state to *not* require a flag at all.
mod6: am i not using two booleans, polarbeard?
mod6: I believe we need two flags.
mod6: so what we want, is three different ways: no force one way or another, force high, or force low. remember, i originally didn't want to do a force high at all. but since asciilifeform requested this, i'm entertaining this option. ☟︎
ben_vulpes: i prefer my c++ as antagonistic as possible
polarbeard: that's right, I only mean to simplify usage (if that matters to anybody)
polarbeard: that's still too flags, I searched before asking :)
asciilifeform: polarbeard: i originally suggested this
mod6: I'm prefectly happy to reconstruct the patch with spaces to stay in alignment with the current (albiet unwated) spacing scheme.
mod6: Trying to decide if I should post 'http://dpaste.com/2EZJVXA.txt' to the ML.
trinque: odd that it's trivial to figure out where I moved the deedbot- node, yet... works now.
ben_vulpes: unless the kid's up at 4 or whatever, i rarely actually interact with him.
mats: he doesn't pm me anymore, probably because i'm not as fun as ben_vulpes
ben_vulpes: i still love you vexual baby
assbot: This Might Hurt, but I'm Hungry ... ( http://bit.ly/1S4pauE )
mod6: To me, this all felt like subversion. I didn
polarbeard: ben_vulpes: I asked somebody if assbot can be forced to forget the nick, it can't
mod6: For posterity: Do not do this. If you get a neg rating and you care about your wot ident, do be an adult and do as I said. Lot less problems and drama this way.
polarbeard: maybe one day, I don't kiss in the first date
mod6: And I understand that part too Mr. P. Typically, this is what seperates us from 'dog'.
polarbeard: I *loved* that nick
polarbeard: yes, I understand, it wasn't my intention to change nick, I nuked my keys
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> mod6, polarbeard, asciilifeform, mircea_popescu: y'all follow? << this is my 0.00000002: If you don't trust a man, no matter what his keyid is today, how can i ignore that and trust a new ident? The correct thing to do as a man, admit your mistake, and or ask for forgiveness and move on. Simple as that. We're all adults here.
mod6: heh, there was such a crowd at the exit of the security area, me and Mr. P. walked right by eachother I think.
ben_vulpes: i'd seen the photos from c2, 'twas how i knew you and mike_c
asciilifeform: first time i was to see mircea_popescu, i actually had no idea how he will pick me out of the crowd at the airport. but he did.
ben_vulpes: heh that is an interesting hole in the keysigning party i guess
ben_vulpes: how could i know, jurov! i never saw a keyid from you.
ben_vulpes: (while it may appear to /you/ that the mega participants in this cult are disembodied names, /we/ all know each other -- names, geographic locations, general type of employ, but /you/ do not have this [or i'll point out] any pedigree here)
asciilifeform: i would also like to know ~who is~ polarbeard
mircea_popescu: i think it's really best practice to rate in chan.
mircea_popescu: i'm still a slut. while that lasts.
ben_vulpes: you'll note i'm not handing out 1's just for showing up any more.
asciilifeform: i certainly see the rationale here
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes yeah, i think you nailed the matter, can be laid to rest.
ben_vulpes: it's not submitting patches any more, so i don't see the point of the discussion.
asciilifeform: and i won't even comment on the nonsensical contents.
ben_vulpes: what harm'd there be in the reading i ask
ben_vulpes: someone can show up tomorrow and claim to be tiberius, tat, smickles, and until they sign with keys that prove it they're either joking or some other thing i don't understand
danielpbarron: yeah i can't figure it out either
ben_vulpes: yes, i don't quite care about 'statements against interest'
polarbeard: all I can say is that log rotation is daily business on most decent systems, but if anybody has a rational answer against it I would not remove shitty-ghost-rotation from trb
polarbeard: which I think comes by default in all linux distros, idk about unixes though
polarbeard: ben_vulpes: sorry, I missed that one, I was talking about a tool like logrotate
asciilifeform: (i think in usa it is called 'declaration against interest' but ianal)
ben_vulpes: and as specifically regards polarbeard, i am happy to review patches
ben_vulpes: and given that the character's lost or whatevered those keys, i don't see any reason for a) that to change or b) influence how the wot regards polarbeard
ben_vulpes: so i've only negrated this punindented identity
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1384565 << i offer that such folks be given a chance to stop, asked nicely. after this, to be hit with a heavy blunt object. and then hit again, and again, until they are no longer a danger to others. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: i dunno how to explain it otherwise.
asciilifeform: when i explain this to folks, i like to use the example of liquid nitrogen sausage
assbot: Logged on 16-11-2015 21:01:21; ascii_field: would let you wander off to wherever spies go when a war is over. You know why?' he said. 'No,' I said. 'Because you could never have served the enemy as well as you served us,' he said. 'I realized that almost all the ideas that I hold now, that make me unashamed of anything I may have felt or done as a Nazi, came not from Hitler, not from Goebbels, not from Himmler — but from you.' He took my hand.
assbot: Logged on 16-11-2015 21:01:21; ascii_field: BingoBoingo: 'I didn't know that,' I said. 'No one knows everything,' he said. 'Did you know,' he said, 'that until almost this very moment nothing would have delighted me more than to prove that you were a spy, to see you shot?' 'No,' I said. 'And do you know why I don't care now if you were a spy or not?' he said. 'You could tell me now that you were a spy, and we would go on talking calmly, just as w
asciilifeform: maybe i was catherine the great, aha.
mircea_popescu: y saying "i was x" is nonsense.
mircea_popescu: only way this works is if x says "i will be y".
mircea_popescu: well thatg's what i said. how do you know "x is y". you basicaLLY don't.
polarbeard: formerly I was nobody, I'm still nobody
polarbeard: I don't know how to resolve the fact that he doesn't like people build stuff for nodejs
mod6: ah, thats right. forgot you blew away your keys. but still, i gvae you ample time to resolve this with ben.
polarbeard: mod6: I created a new ident because I nuked my keys, but I understand your position, you could have told me I'm not welcomed as well, instead of talking to me
asciilifeform: this is why i almost never 'pm' at all these days
mod6: i asked him to resolve this, but this has gone too far now.
polarbeard: that's okay, I won't submit anything if you don't want / have the time to read
mod6: the dispute? i dunno. his ident was 'punindented
mircea_popescu: i cansee that.
mod6: mircea_popescu: he was talking to me in pm when he decided not to reconcile with ben and created a new ident. i can't sign stuff from a guy who i know that my co-chair has neg-rated.
polarbeard: I didn't save it
asciilifeform: (it will make os api calls, yes, supposing that we want i/o at all. but this is not same thing)
asciilifeform: (i.e. without linking to vendor libs)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my point re: the mingw thread was that it is entirely possible to write a proggy, for whatever broken & braindamaged box, without inserting ANY bytes that i did not personally decide to insert.
polarbeard: BingoBoingo knows what happened, I sent him a log
polarbeard: do I need a domain name to contribute code?
polarbeard: ok, I have a blog on https://gist.github.com/polarbeard
polarbeard: I code, I don't write articles
polarbeard: ok, I'll earn that with time, I won't submit until I have positive rating
polarbeard: but I have nothing against him?
mod6: polarbeard is punindented, i very much appreciate his offer of help to work on the R.I. but this is a non-starter until ben and polarbeard/punindented reconcile their differences.
mircea_popescu: i have seen both threads, not much changed.
mircea_popescu: <mod6> polarbeard: I apprecate your offer to work on the Reference Implementation, but before you get too far along you need to reconcile that -1 from ben. << the what now ?!
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> i was even under the impression that the eulora build process was microshit-free << how are you going to make a windows binary "microshit-free" ?
polarbeard: asciilifeform: I nuked my previous identity, for science
mod6: I think you need to ack your previous identity and make ammends. Thats the first step.
polarbeard: mod6: no problem, I'm open to suggestions
diana_coman: jurov> nice, can someone compile crystalspace/eulora with mingw? <- I tried that in some days of madness; it didn't end well