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jurov: i have added short info to that page
mod6: i guess i could do the deedbot part, not sure how to work it th
mod6: so in reality, no you don't need V or anything. i think if you just follow dpb's wiki steps it's all good.
jurov: looks like i got stymied right at very first step ☟︎
jurov: i do have it, just trying on another computer, and said to myself - let's try this from perspective of newcomer
shinohai: I'm doing a fresh, vanilla image so imma see what happens.
mod6: asciilifeform will have to confirm/deny that i used the correct patches.
phf: i pressed it programmatically, without "patch" utility, before leaving home, so didnt have time to test it
mod6: yeah, we got a bunch of files that differ. but i might have built something that you haven't.
mod6: if this works, i'll do a clean and then grab the file hashes.
mod6: for the sake of this test, i'll just rename these in my .seals dir as they should be.
mod6: and speaking of which, i'd also like to note that all of the sigs (seals) in http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000201.html are misnamed. http://dpaste.com/1KRXSBM.txt ☟︎
mod6: i need this:
mod6: ok do i understand this right? (i haven't done this since before the re-bake of tinyscheme)
mod6: i can take a look, give me a few.
asciilifeform: 'b' is an interesting hypothesis and i would pay to watch it demonstrated.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i gotta go to town. we can continue this when i'm back, but less symbolistic fetishism, more alphabetic monotheism plox.
asciilifeform: but let's posit an enormous tube. you will need to use excimer laser, i suspect. disk - will warp.
asciilifeform: it has good thermal conductivity. i can't make so much as a dent in aluminum foil with 40W co2 tube.
danielpbarron: get nubbins` or someone to make some nice artwork on it and i'll buy ☟︎
mircea_popescu: paper, i write and read with my own hands.
mircea_popescu: i don't even see the value of maintaining the cd as a thing in the world. it can go the way of the celuloid film afaic.
mircea_popescu: i did use the old debian cds, back in the day.
mircea_popescu: i also never used it.
asciilifeform: i - do.
mircea_popescu: i much prefer building on the dest box whenever feasible.
phf: asciilifeform: http://glyf.org/tmp/war-room2.png not quite right, but i like it
mircea_popescu: but don't expect me to go to paris every time i'm about to fit tits for corsets.
mircea_popescu: now, mind, i don't think it's wrong to have a cast cd of the thing, just like i don't think it's wrong to have an iridium idol of the "meter" somewhere in france
mircea_popescu: which is how i discovered yest that for instance we have an undocumented "bc" dependency in the build tree
asciilifeform: i get that this is convenient. i did this with some of my nodes. but ultimately this is a sinful sort of convenience.
mircea_popescu: but the convenience here is exactly that i just compile on the run boxes.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i think they're going to try the sit around and talk about it while it goes away or whatever trick
assbot: Logged on 30-01-2016 17:51:53; mod6: i do a lot of testing etc. often if I'm actually going to change a line of code, i'll press out a seperate branch call it 'foo', go in there copy a & b, then make changes in b. make a vpatch. drop it in my live bitcoin branch, rebuild with the rotor. bunch of stuff.
asciilifeform: https://twitter.com/ashk4n/status/693221584933363712 << i have no idea who he is/was, but this is hilarious
mod6: also, hehe, i downloaded this scheme interpreter to play with on my phone.
mod6: i'd like to get this into "battle-ready" shape once and for all. ☟︎
mod6: asciilifeform: while i'm on the subject (and anyone else for that matter): is there anything else that should be excised from the current V [v99996] ?
mod6: i gotta re-write a lot of automated tests and stuff too.
mod6: so -- i might need several weeks at min to test out v99995 of V ☟︎
mod6: i just haven't focused on that part as much for obv reasons.
asciilifeform: phf: ah i just noticed that you had the file changes marks. this ~is~ useful.
asciilifeform: phf: spiffy diagram, quite like what i had in mind originally in fact
mod6: and seems to work ok... but i'll hvae to test this quite a bit.
mod6: ok, well i did just rip out all the sync/init/mirrors parts of V ☟︎☟︎
ben_vulpes: aha, that's what i thought!
phf: ben_vulpes: so actually inside the patch hunks are grouped by files, what i was referring to as hunks are actually per file hunk groups. so in other word the graph is already edge-per-file. i added the labels but it looks dodgy http://glyf.org/tmp/labels1.png http://glyf.org/tmp/labels2.png
jurov: and i don't have anything to say about non-nato computers3
jurov: i asked punkman, not you
asciilifeform: jurov: i want a non-nato computer.
mod6: i would 100% start over, including in your .bitcoin dir.
mod6: not sure i follow there, what'd be the techincal purpose of that?
ben_vulpes: i'm with stan, fwiw.
mod6: i guess v99995 could rip all that stuff out. certainly would condense the code a bit.
asciilifeform: and i still see this is as the Right Thing.
asciilifeform: and i will note that ~my~ v load NOTHING from the net.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> why the hell not ? << because i tried to kinda sorta do this already... buildroot is hardcoded to download (rsync) all of its deps and stuff it needs from net. we'd have to "hack" our own buildroot.
mod6: oh yeah, and i remember now...
mod6: someone asked me why I don't create vpatches of the changes to V.
asciilifeform: i will laugh my self ~to death~ if it turns out that wget was 0day'd
ben_vulpes: or rather, i'd like that.
mod6: yeah... there's a handful. i dunno, makes me nervous.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> in fact i think it ought to be abolished and replaced with pressed silver cd. << im not sure how to build this excatly. this is part of what we wanna talk about next week.
asciilifeform: re: the hardware pr0n link earlier, it is a good example of what i call an ~iridium toilet~ - as DISTINCT from a golden toilet, it is a device that is build with 1) price is no object 2) NOT FOR showing off and playing idiot tlp rolex status games.
asciilifeform: in fact i think it ought to be abolished and replaced with pressed silver cd.
asciilifeform: i don't need or want the www loading stuff for anything.
asciilifeform: ftr i still use my original rotor build scripts.
mod6: i use the built thing to test my code changes and other config changes.
mod6: but, i typically don't hack straight on the built trb, ususally on a separate branch.
mod6: i just re-read what I typed there (sorry, just woke up, slept like the dead), and i don't mean to make it sound like a single line, even if sometimes it is! i just make the changes i need, the most minimal changes possible, then drop 'em in and see.
mod6: i do a lot of testing etc. often if I'm actually going to change a line of code, i'll press out a seperate branch call it 'foo', go in there copy a & b, then make changes in b. make a vpatch. drop it in my live bitcoin branch, rebuild with the rotor. bunch of stuff. ☟︎
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> mod6 and trinque as well << hacking the codebase? << I just build the statically linked bin with rotor via the build-bitcoind script that everyone uses.
mod6: i'll have to check it out. thanks for letting me know.
mod6: oh, defect i guess?
ben_vulpes: eyy, mod6 so i just spun up v.pl on a new box and despite wget not being installed v.pl still claims successful sync
mircea_popescu: i do sue people that get in my way, tho.
mircea_popescu: i don't live there nor have i yet run into the problem.
asciilifeform: proof that would get a law firm interested, is what i was thinking
mircea_popescu: "your honor, i tried to buy a hdd and they refused to sell me. vendor told me they have an illegal arrangement to promote the business interests of Amazon cloud services. I want 100 dollars in liquidated damages and 10bn in punitive damages kthx."
mircea_popescu: leftover from the crisis days i imagine.
asciilifeform: i just got a tb ssd in
mircea_popescu: now i can't even buy SSDs - admitting i somehow wanted to - because lol what, sub tb space ?!
asciilifeform: this i recall, pretty much nothing else yet worked
mircea_popescu: i had to publicly bitchslap them and privately threaten burning and pillage to get them to shut the fuck up already.
asciilifeform: i don't recall anybody (other than that lukejr fella) crying when s.dice was doing this.
asciilifeform: i will l0l to death when i find out that mircea_popescu's tx debugger was ~also~ lisp-based
mircea_popescu: i do have some (limited) microphones in there tho
mircea_popescu: i'm kinda curious if they're in for another great leap forward actually
asciilifeform: but actually i think mircea_popescu is right, we will have a 'triumph of the cockroaches' situation
mircea_popescu: "i always found it interesting turks can not only not design own greek fire, but can't even produce shit copy!"
asciilifeform: punkman: they are rubbish, every single one i ever saw. PLUS i'm not interested in nato arm !
asciilifeform: i always found it interesting that cn can not only not design own intel substitute, but cannot even ~produce shit copy~
mircea_popescu: sure. i'll send the list to your cardano device!
asciilifeform: re: arm, every few yrs i get an attack of the temptation to build a new workstation, and it never happens, and probably never will. would dearly love to buy something nato-free, wouldja tell me ~where~ ?
asciilifeform: i dun see it
asciilifeform: and loongson co. PAID for mips license ! and began using american mask, whole. i found this out and lost all interest because wtf.
asciilifeform: (it blew me away also when i learned this)
assbot: Logged on 30-01-2016 14:08:37; mircea_popescu: i'd imagine they'd opt for "countless multitude"
mircea_popescu: i'd imagine they'd opt for "countless multitude" ☟︎
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