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kakobrekla: you pay out bet
A with inputs Ia and sufficient fee. tx gets 'lost', not confirmed. people bitch. you post the tx hex so people them selfs can re-broadcast it. however for as long as that tx is not included in the block you can not spend those same Ia inputs.
mircea_popescu:
a flurry of other txn, all spending the same inputs and paying ever more in fee were broadcast up until, most recently, march 1st (~16 hours ago).
mircea_popescu: as
a result, tx A2 was created, monday, spending the same inputs, paying
a fee, and was broadcast.
kakobrekla: its not impossible you will make
a tx from some inputs, which will be 'forgotten' and say fuck you [i only
a slight problem so far as long as the tx hex is published and can be rebroadcast] and then later on use those same inputs for another tx [i have
a larger problem with that]
mircea_popescu: i can't comprehend what you're trying to argue here. you're roughly in the position of
a prison warden facing an empty cell and
a hole in the wall going "hey, water infiltration can sometimes make holes in walls"
mircea_popescu: the only anyone who can destroy
a txn is the anyone who controls the mining.
kakobrekla: it could be malicious act by someone who won that bet. saw
a 0 conf tx and tried to take advantage of this what just happened.
mircea_popescu: understand : at the time you saw it as "broadcast" it was ALREADY included in
a block
mircea_popescu: it was
a 20 minute old txn at the time it was included in
a block.
mircea_popescu: so
a tx is broadcast, saturday. it doesn't even register.
mircea_popescu: for the record, there are about 50k txn with
a higher per-byte offering, and all of those have been in the mempool for ehhh i dunno,
a week more than half hour ?
mircea_popescu: just now, an hour after the other one, all it needs is
a block.
mircea_popescu: how about that kakobrekla ! not bad for
a 0 fee tx "in this climate" eh ?
mircea_popescu: i personally think the only reason it's not mined yet is that there hasn't been
a block.
☟︎ kakobrekla: anyway, given the current state of txes there is
a good chance that evil 0 fee tx will get forgotten again
kakobrekla: its possible you are connected to
a node pocket - trb do not like non-trb nodeas (ban hammer) so they are only left connected (mostly) to trb, not prb which you need if you want the world to see your txes
mircea_popescu: and the one doublespending it with
a fee is... not visible. right ?
kakobrekla: anyway, tx is unconfirmed at this time with 0 fee, it will take
a while to get included in
a block if it even will be. you can try to doublespend those inputs to
a different address and save the btc.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla understand : just because they picked one particular txn out of
a set of txn they withheld should NOT be an argument they may bring.
kakobrekla: one of txes with erroneous 0 fee also got lost after
a 2 or 3 days
a couple of days ago
mircea_popescu: one of the many. understand that there was
a set of these.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla this is what i was doing for
a fucking week.
mircea_popescu: this means that if you are waiting on
a payment - you got to talk to
a miner. bitbet will not further consider any complaints of this nature.
mircea_popescu: because they can sit on
a transaction more or less forever.
mircea_popescu: once
a transaction that DIDN'T spend the same inputs was announced and confirmed, the OLD transactions were somehow found, and are now broadcast.
mircea_popescu: specifically :
a set of
a dozen or so txn that were trying to pay out winners of
a bet went out, only to be "ignored" by the network. they all spent the same inputs. this went on for about
a week.
mircea_popescu: sooo... it pains me to say that bitbet was just on the receiving end of
a concerted miner withholding attack.
trinque: yeah, just
a matter of taking the deed bundle txt, performing sha256 and using that as the privkey, generating
a pubkey and address from that
trinque: the FAQ page specifies how to verify them if one has
a deed bundle
mircea_popescu: i dunno, originally it was
a pretty good marketing tool.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> anyway i specialize in making some selected subset of it actually WORK. << this much is true, yes. but you have
a finite number of hands!
mircea_popescu: whereas what
a doctor, or
a lawyer do, independent professions and in no sense either labour or skilled, is to give you THEIR OPINIONS
mircea_popescu: skilled labour is hwat
a carpenter does. he has 7 tools and 3 types of wood, and an absolute guarantee that his fucking board isn't going to spontaneously turn to marmalade.
trinque: asciilifeform: should be
a fleanode server
mircea_popescu: do you understand how normal work works among humans ? bob has
a widget factory, which needs
a widgeteer, which is
a job composed of 5 movements and 3 reaches, so he goes to the corner where kids loiter and goes "you there! do like this with your elbow! good. now read this list and apply it. every day."
mircea_popescu:
a nothing! i can't as much as have someone to clean the fucking floors.
mircea_popescu: if banks ran like this the average teller would look like
a fucking safari hunter,
mircea_popescu: and EVEN THEN everyone must have access to the fucking top of the hierarchy because it is
a GIVEN that everyone will encounter fundamental problems on
a monthly basis.
mircea_popescu: but on the other hand - i can't fucking hire people for the love of everfuck. there is no such thing as
a lowly bank clerk in bitcoin. everyone must be at above-phd level of tech awareness - yea, i know that doesn't cut it to be in b-
a, fine, fuck you all, there are STILL 100k phds spewed out the world over who think themselves as they add to the pool of millions floating around that they are pdh-level! -
mircea_popescu:
a collection of rotten hardware running dubios kernels with ball of shit visual studio-level bitcoin implementation, expected to somehow do things.
mircea_popescu: i am clearly not
a any one thing, but instead "rootless cosmopolitan"
mircea_popescu: and once i fucking croak, they'll get
a cat's paw magazine.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the notion that nadia heninger "got"
a phd and "got"
a cushy sinecure, in the sense of got that you employ when you say b-
a got x done is ludicrous!
assbot: Logged on 18-05-2015 19:48:18; ascii_field: 'It doesn't work when Nadia Heninger goes to sell Phuctor before Stanford - Nadia Heninger doesn't own Phuctor, and the actual owners are very much present and very much capable to bitchslap her into oblivion.' << actually, 'crime pays.' chick gets
a phd and cushy sinecure, etc.
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 14:04:40; mircea_popescu: $30
a night ?! such can't be had in all of buenos aires.
trinque: whether they intentionally sink the USD to try to push people onto
a USGCoin, who knows.
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 14:18:16; mircea_popescu: then i went into them financially and they actually burned
a few millions propping it up, and that pretty much brings us to the present day.
trinque: just nginx on
a static folder, should
jurov: did you set
a limit at all?
trinque: jurov: please do not write
a naive scraper that runs often :p
jurov: trinque what do you use to search deedbot's deeds? google sucksfor this, duckduckgo only
a bit less
phf: ben_vulpes: i don't ever touch dependencies, so 40s for
a full rebuilt
mircea_popescu: the difference between "S&P 500" and "here's
a retrospective list of 500 companies I picked" is moreover slim.
mircea_popescu: the thing anon establishment ho fails to mention, however, is that S&P 500 is not in any sense
a thing.
SuchWow: it's just irc, and it's
a chan i rarely if ever speak in
SuchWow: it's all
a sham, but it's amazing how long they've been able to prop it up and convince the vast majority of everyone to believe in it
mircea_popescu: SuchWow hey, govt has
a lot of experience running ponzis. heck, social security is still somehow magically protected by illusion.
SuchWow: do people even consider eth to be
a beta
SuchWow: and then suddenly it's
a currency and it starts acting like dogecoin, value/price-wise
mircea_popescu: then i went into them financially and they actually burned
a few millions propping it up, and that pretty much brings us to the present day.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: well, basically the story of eth is, "what if we made
a b-
a, except not on irc but in
a spare closet at
a usg-sponsored university, and we tried to get idiot kids on reddit excited and inept javascript developers contributing code and MAKE
A BETTER BITCOIN in the sense that it'll suck where bitcoin hurts us."
SuchWow: has been
a wild ride, and i called
a lot of the movement correctly