asciilifeform: ditto what the ukrs speak on orc tv (~none of the public heads speak anything but ru at home)
asciilifeform: i'll point out that there is also an 'if it prospers, none dare call it treason' effect going on. modern hebrew, for instance, is nearly as much a conlang as esperanto.
asciilifeform: i still wonder about the supposed 4 mil or how many esperantists, who taught their children, etc. was it disinfo ? and if not, where did they go ?
asciilifeform: (notice, few modern folx would presume to try.)
asciilifeform: the limits of the power of engineer were being explored in those days.
asciilifeform: that there lived no one remotely qualified to touch the problem, does not make it a nonproblem
asciilifeform: i am failing to discern what, if anything, is in dispute here, so i will bbl. possibly it will be more evident from the log.
asciilifeform: (say a necessary link in a chain is torn out because you nixed a wot key)
asciilifeform: variant wot can alter flow, but only by disrupting it
asciilifeform: the only time a vtron must hard-fail, is when it is impossible for it to operate in finite time, i.e. the case where it detects a graph cycle.
asciilifeform: mod6: 'leave out of all possible flow' is the correct answer.
asciilifeform: trinque: there were 2 separate cases where this happened. mod6's buggy vtron (which he fixed today), and mine when the self-appendectomy-time-turn-off-pain-receptor switch flipped.
asciilifeform: a seal, on the other hand, floating about without an active pubkey, for for that matter without a corresponding patch, is inert.
asciilifeform: that is, i know of no case where an unsealed, or invalidly sealed, or sealed by nonexistent pubkey, patch, would be pressed without the user having explicitly flipped the red cover and disabled the reactor coolant pump
asciilifeform: all 3 implementation were also (correctly) 'fail-deadly'
asciilifeform: i.e. the mechanism whereby you press a set for own consumption
asciilifeform: all of the 'bickening' seems to concern 'harem-v'
asciilifeform: i dun recall anyone, any time recently, disputing the functionality of the latter
asciilifeform: cost of failure, sometimes you simply live with. i signed FUCKGOATS, and it is a 'sapper makes 1 mistake' item, it is not possible to repair the units if i had made a mistake.
asciilifeform: i ended up turning that into a warning, vs fatal, but it looks like i never posted this variant.☟︎
asciilifeform: guess what, looks like the published version -- indeed did.
asciilifeform: iirc he a) fully understood how it behaves b) tendered no major objections
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes had a quite complete exposition on my original vtron
asciilifeform: ( the bug, as mircea_popescu iirc also pointed out, was in the direction of making his vtron ~stricter~, of forbidding entirely legit ops, so not catastrophic)
asciilifeform: trinque: are you thinking of mod6's minor bug , or of some other☟︎
asciilifeform: i was addressing mod6's 'damn, why did i even try' lament
asciilifeform: and much better for it to be amortized in expensive chairs, than in total lack of risk-taking
asciilifeform: the cost of failure - gets amortized.
asciilifeform: phf: this is not wholly avoidable, imho, folx laugh at airplane chairs or surgical scalpels costing thousands of usd, but in some sense it is inevitable
asciilifeform: ( recall, we had been trb-ing with exclusively signed patches since start of trb, but folx other than asciilifeform were having headache determining the correct order to apply in )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu immediately realized what can be done with this knob and wrote, iirc , entire article re same
asciilifeform: then i decided that it could be useful to glue these ops together, so that variant-wot operation is possible.
asciilifeform: trinque: my original, unpublished vtron, only pressed (tracking the dependency flow), and user was expected to check the pgp sigs of the inputs, with bare hands, prior
