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asciilifeform: mod6: if you want to backport the patch and the afterpatch, etc. i will read and sign the result.

mod6: i'll be afk for a bit.

mod6: i'll fix all of this stuff.

mod6: i wanted a whole replacement for asciilifeform-programmable-versionstring.vpatch, not just the fix.

asciilifeform: mod6: i am utterly confused now ?

mod6: should I do mine first? then you can make your changes.

mod6: so what i want to do

asciilifeform: it refused my latest patch with no logical reason i can discern

mircea_popescu: i had the silent intuition that there'd be a second gate in between the code and the "war of comments" outer gate discussed in thr logs last week. there is! this!

asciilifeform: i am SICK AND MOTHERFUCKING TIRED of 'your line is 1 char too long fuckyou'

asciilifeform: l0lz wake up up when i can see the actual src in this thing

phf: i.e. http://104.131.72.249/patches/asciilifeform-programmable-versionstring-fix

mod6: thats how i tested and built the stuff yesterday at phf's behest.

mod6: nothing, i did this.

assbot: Logged on 30-01-2016 22:21:25; mod6: and speaking of which, i'd also like to note that all of the sigs (seals) in http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000201.html are misnamed. http://dpaste.com/1KRXSBM.txt

asciilifeform: i will no longer use the ml to submit patches.

asciilifeform: at this point i don't give a FUCK why it failed.

mod6: and next time, let's do this sort of testing before i ship ☟︎

asciilifeform: i need to know what set to make

mod6: <+mod6> <+ben_vulpes> "gpg: WARNING: not a detached signature; file `buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz' was NOT verified!"? << i've just run this again myselfand logged output here: http://dpaste.com/0P2QXYG.txt I'm not sure how what you saw happened there. :/ << im wondering if this could be related to a GPG version thing or something? because the line of code that is executed here is this:

mod6: so if you see activity in that direction, ask for a test bundle or test code, whatever. good to catch any things like this before I send itout.

mod6: ben_vulpes: thanks for testing V. i appreciate that.

asciilifeform: but i do not know how to issue the patch

asciilifeform: i fixed the very subtle version number setting bug

mod6: <+trinque> mod6: ah yep, I saw that doing the makefiles << umm.. thats bad. because that means it doens't happen to me, but apparently it happens "in the field" from time to time?

asciilifeform: soo i have a result

trinque: nice, I taught a girl with that one too, then graduated her to SICP

mod6: <+asciilifeform> ;;later tell mod6 https://7chan.org/pr/src/The_Little_Schemer_4th_2.pdf << a real joy of a b00k, i taught a gurl scheme once from it << hey thanks!

mod6: <+ben_vulpes> ;;later tell mod6 i believe i have a bug for you: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/8d9ad794-4b47-407e-9db4-a9a8cb2c70b4/ << lol, what did you do to this poor thing!

mod6: <+ben_vulpes> ;;later tell mod6 stick a random file with .html suffix in the patches dir to reproduce the stale gnupg dir big << this is what I'll test with.

mod6: <+ben_vulpes> ;;later tell mod6 i got v.pl into a weird place where it didn't clean up its gnupg tempdir. perhaps consider using an "exit_gracefully" function where you're currently simply "die"-ing. << this basically /shouldn't/ happen. i'll follow your steps here and try to see what went wrong.

mod6: <+ben_vulpes> unrelatedly, while we're ripping the rug out from under mod6, is there a good reason to continue with the inconsistent directory structure of `./.seals' and `./patches'? << this was in alf's original POC. i think it can stay. especially because you *can* name the dirs whatever you wish.

trinque: mod6: ah yep, I saw that doing the makefiles

mod6: <+ben_vulpes> "gpg: WARNING: not a detached signature; file `buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz' was NOT verified!"? << i've just run this again myselfand logged output here: http://dpaste.com/0P2QXYG.txt I'm not sure how what you saw happened there. :/

phf: mircea_popescu: hey trinque jurov phf : would it be possible to take that very nice graph phf showed, turn it into a proper svg and have the nodes clickable ? << like http://104.131.72.249/patches/? (is in no way bulletproof, so i expect it to be down by the time i come back from breakfast) ☟︎

asciilifeform: ;;later tell mod6 https://7chan.org/pr/src/The_Little_Schemer_4th_2.pdf << a real joy of a b00k, i taught a gurl scheme once from it

mircea_popescu: "what did i do to be in ?" "how did it fail ?" "how did i fix it ?" "how did it fail still ?" "how did i fix that ?"

mircea_popescu: well i said the not a. woman who wants to know why she isn't in any particular one ~need only ask herself~.

asciilifeform: la is their way of life and they wonder why nothing can ever get done because all available time and any available resources get wasted in an effort to sort a group. (The Italians are the exact same way, by the way, and from what I hear the Greeks idem.)' << from mircea_popescutron

asciilifeform: 'So, are you whiter than him or darker than him ? If whiter, you go before him, if darker after him. Problem of "who goes first" solved, and inasmuch as it's an irrelevant problem anyway, it doesn't matter how it's solved just as long as it's solved. The Arabs implement this exact solution, which is why I never saw buluceala in their very popular mosques. The Romanians do not implement it, or anything else, and as such bulucea

asciilifeform: aha, i don't firefox

asciilifeform: ^ the highlighty thing never worked on any browser i could find, ftr

asciilifeform: which is why i predict that bitcoin is condemned to migrate behind the very tall fortress walls of something like gossipd

asciilifeform: but yes, it fundamentally it violates the principle i stated here as 'nobody gets anything just for showing up, or the flies eat the meat' (see the bastard blocks thread, and the single-packet authentication as elixir against ddos threads)

mircea_popescu: right but you see what i mean.

asciilifeform: esp. since i gotta keep storing it for so long as i care to have any dealing with bitcoin

mircea_popescu: i know, that's why i put that sort of stuff in. help the thinking hats.

mircea_popescu: i don't think many people actually understand how bitcoin works.

assbot: Logged on 31-01-2016 11:07:31; jurov: ben_vulpes: eulora code is several levels more crooked than satoshi's, i tried to ffi python and left that for later in disgust.

assbot: Logged on 31-01-2016 09:26:17; diana_coman: thanks ben_vulpes , I'll have a look; it's been ages since I last wrote anything in Scheme as such, but if there's a chance of moving the client away from cpp it's certainly worth having a look at

assbot: Logged on 31-01-2016 08:05:44; punkman: I'd help rig it up if the foundation so wishes

mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1390931 <<< how would this work, i don't follow ? you plan to host a farm of various arches etc, and run automated build and test scripts on it with each release ? patch ? ☝︎

asciilifeform: on the other hand i didn't have the graph, or sane parallel leaf handling.

asciilifeform: as for the multitude of vtrons, there is absolutely nothing wrong with it, but i am seeing folks suffer from easily-curable issues that were not present in my original prototype (which, recall, had NO state other than patch/seal/keys working set, and did not use the net, and had the 'origin' command, etc.)

assbot: Logged on 31-01-2016 07:27:47; punkman: why I kept saying that I don't like release patches that touch *everything*

mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1390901 << i think this is by now well agreed upon :) ☝︎

mircea_popescu: which understanding is why i'm so lisp friendly, actually.

mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1390875 << i'd be surprised if you actually can ever find this. ☝︎☟︎

mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1390865 << i actually never saw this. wtf is this ? ☝︎

asciilifeform: but i get the idea

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1390980 << i remember asking for this some time last year ☝︎

mircea_popescu: i follow the palaiologos tradition. whereby the orcs are a slightly more complex thing.

asciilifeform: then i have nfi, i simply do not know enough about subj

mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1390867 << no, i mean moving all stuff downsteream to depend on a' rather than a. this is rebasing the stuff downstream : from a base in a to a base in a'. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i didn't know they expel ru kids for that

assbot: Logged on 31-01-2016 06:54:12; ben_vulpes: http://www.northofreality.com/secrets/ << bit of a shame that aramcheck's not in the wot and on patreon, i like his weirdfic.

mircea_popescu: i mean that quite profoundly - thiel has seen the narrow horizon of the pen and contented himself that "this is everywhere".

asciilifeform: though i don't know why he had to go for the condensate, ordinary water behaves in quite the same way

mircea_popescu: anyway, it occured to me while i was eating a niels bohr raisin cake (with little electron raisins floating in the batter) that this is how fucking spammers work, too. as discussed here a nujmber of times already.

mircea_popescu: how fortunate are we to have such bright minds around us. i gotta get myself one of them bose.

mircea_popescu: "I was looking at a Java applet which demonstrates the use of evaporative cooling to form a Bose-Einstein condensate, when it occurred to me that another force entirely might operate to increase fanaticism. "

mircea_popescu: i knew gmaxwell wasn't intelligent enough to come up with that stupid shit on his own.

assbot: Logged on 31-01-2016 09:36:51; diana_coman: well, there is no hard requirement as such to have the client written in cpp; but it's true that it's quite a huge effort to make an alternative, sane client (for one thing, I'd love a text-only client for instance)

jurov: ben_vulpes: eulora code is several levels more crooked than satoshi's, i tried to ffi python and left that for later in disgust. ☟︎

ben_vulpes: diana_coman: no hard requirement, sure, i just imagine that replacing the crystalspace client's going to be no small pile of reverse engineering. i say this knowing nothing about the cs server/client software relationship.

diana_coman: well, there is no hard requirement as such to have the client written in cpp; but it's true that it's quite a huge effort to make an alternative, sane client (for one thing, I'd love a text-only client for instance) ☟︎

ben_vulpes: diana_coman: i doubt you'll move the client away from cpp, but tinyscheme is a potential route to embedding scheme /in/ the existing client.

diana_coman: thanks ben_vulpes , I'll have a look; it's been ages since I last wrote anything in Scheme as such, but if there's a chance of moving the client away from cpp it's certainly worth having a look at ☟︎

ben_vulpes: ;;later tell mod6 i believe i have a bug for you: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/8d9ad794-4b47-407e-9db4-a9a8cb2c70b4/

ben_vulpes: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000201.html << i swear i saw some mentione of this earlier but cannot find it now. for those playing along at home, the sig name for these patches that will please v.pl is <patchname>.vpatch.<signatory's_wot_handle>.asc

ben_vulpes: dunno man i don't actually think it's of much value. having actual humans in the actual wot build things is much more important.

ben_vulpes: this was god i don't know how many months ago

ben_vulpes: funnily enough i just nuked its builddir

punkman: I'd help rig it up if the foundation so wishes ☟︎

ben_vulpes: another entry in the long list of things i've written that never made it into the truck

ben_vulpes: i shut the jenkins down because full syncs of each patch was prohibitively resource and time intensive and parallelized poorly

ben_vulpes: i am struck by a question i find interesting

ben_vulpes: ;;later tell mod6 i got v.pl into a weird place where it didn't clean up its gnupg tempdir. perhaps consider using an "exit_gracefully" function where you're currently simply "die"-ing.

punkman: why I kept saying that I don't like release patches that touch *everything* ☟︎

assbot: Logged on 29-01-2016 20:20:44; ascii_butugychag: the reason why i once suggested breaking up all patches into atomic patchons is that right now we have a stricter than necessary dependency flow

punkman: I did start with v.py, but mangled most things

punkman: I just have ./sigs ./patches in vit

punkman: on second read I hope it just means mod6 would be busy doing other things

assbot: Logged on 30-01-2016 18:40:13; mod6: so -- i might need several weeks at min to test out v99995 of V

pete_dushenski: oh hm. i dunno then. sorry

ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: nah, because i get "good signature from korsgaard"

assbot: Logged on 30-01-2016 19:45:55; danielpbarron: get nubbins` or someone to make some nice artwork on it and i'll buy

punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2016#1390063 sure, if I can get low-power machine with ECC, I probably wouldn't mind the slower cores for most uses. These looked kinda neat http://www.tilera.com/products/?ezchip=585&spage=618 ☝︎

punkman: although I guess these Asus boards are still being made at the factory

punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1390737 < I've been considering that for a while, but I'm not really into junkyard-wars ☝︎