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mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski i cheat. what else is new.
felipelalli: true! I saw Filipi already.
danielpbarron: lol, it's from the Bible.. it's common everywhere. and no I'm born and raised in Connecticut
danielpbarron: felipelalli, ... I already did that for you!
mircea_popescu: actually now that macri murdered their black market, maybe the borders open and i can mail you some or some shit.
ben_vulpes: at this rate the only time i'm going to come back is with a 5 yo and a 2 yo to escape election season
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: and imma drink it! if i ever come back.
felipelalli: <danielpbarron> ;;later tell felipelalli ^^^ also >> http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/deedbot#synopsis << Thank you danielpbarron - I was using in the wrong way. Now it works.
ascii_butugychag: i know of no reason to suspect that anybody on the planet is mining with any method other than brute force.
mircea_popescu: i've never had coffee this good, and i lived in fucking costa rica!
mircea_popescu: i bought 2 kgs of costa rican cofee. place now smells like the end of the fucking world.
assbot: Logged on 01-02-2016 14:32:39; BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski https://bitbet.us/bet/1198/connor-mcdavid-will-live-up-to-the-hype/#c5602 I believe
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-02-2016#1392513 << heh. gotta love teh bitbet dramas. who knew a hockey bet would be such popular fodder for "debate" ? i guess the odd sports bet ain't so bad after all, though very few of them attract 10btc+ of action like this one. ☝︎
ascii_butugychag: interestingly, i fully expected, from 2010 on, folks to gnaw on the leather straps of sha256
mircea_popescu: well... vision, what can i tell ya!
mircea_popescu: i believe differently.
ascii_butugychag: that part i get, and quite like
ascii_butugychag: other than the basic fact of it being a caltrop against folks who want to 'lose' the blockchain, i mean
ascii_butugychag: i don't see how
mircea_popescu: if that were to happen because we made it happen i'd be so happy.
ascii_butugychag: actually i must disagree with one point - general-purpose, e.g., x86, cpu, is full of so much crud that asicization is economical and quite inevitable
PeterL: I guess instead of having one pool doing block hashing, you would have two pools connected, one doing the block hashing and one doing the bitmap hashing?
ascii_butugychag: i must agree with the rando commenter, i have nfi why anybody would 'buy from nodes'
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: i can see it. sorta 'shit test', anyone who proposes any fork which refuses it, has to answer for himself
schmidty: good to be here. still considering myself in purgatory given my lack of homework over the logs. i hope to some day join the ranks, still trying to frame it all up in my mind.
thestringpuller: told him of cardano, and was like "well how are you going to trust cardano", to which I replied with the parable of soldier maintaining own AK-47
ascii_butugychag: so i put the string 'rm -rf /' in the blockchain, snore
thestringpuller: So no, I don't buy storage often. I usually try to buy enough for 5 years at a time.
thestringpuller: Stuck an extra stick of RAM in it based on notion from friend during last upgrade. more of "here is extra stick I have lying around" "oh cool"
thestringpuller: I've upgraded the GPU twice.
ascii_butugychag: hey i'm running a machine circa '07
thestringpuller: I upgrade computers slowly unless for vidya gamez.
trinque: pff I'm paying 25/mo for a colo'd server with SSD
thestringpuller: When I get promoted to plutonimum mine from coal mine, maybe I'll buy SSDs.
thestringpuller: trinque: SSD speeds up block checking? I found I/O is very heavy with -verifyall
trinque: the same node was at 350k before I had the SSD installed, so we're gaining ground quickly.
trinque: trb node is at 384k; I will be switching to that with anti-heathen command patch very soon
trinque: jurov: I got it to squirt your txn earlier, after finding where my db lost track of the blockchain. site will update when btcd catches up, in roughly 90blks
assbot: LShift - Why I support the US Government making a cryptography standard weaker ... ( http://bit.ly/1Km3M0U )
ascii_butugychag: http://www.lshift.net/blog/2013/10/01/why-i-support-the-us-government-making-a-cryptography-standard-weaker << vintage lulz
polarbeard: phf: I don't follow, db.cpp is what generates that relationship
ascii_butugychag: mod6: i found myself blowing the very tiny time budget i had, on regrinding
ascii_butugychag: phf: your viewer is mighty spiffy, it is exactly what i wanted to make in september (and never had time) ☟︎
ascii_butugychag: i still think regrinds are a thing to be avoided whenever possible, but whatever
mod6: i must be stale ascii_butugychag
polarbeard: I think it's correct though, 565faf3ef371f5e2178ae30c45b08b93415eeb92263486e68f2ac2e8f4c7900056e628804bf5c0707a90be946e0aeaebfcd0a391aab40de2e5d56e6bcbdccb1e bitcoin/src/db.cpp
phf: there's a bug of some sort, pretty sure your polarbeard_better_log_messages shouldn't press from asciilifeform_maxint_locks_corrected, i'll look into it tonight
phf: which kind of broke the previous ip only links, i might fix that at some point
mod6: anyway, i created a new patch for PVS and did a regrind on malleus (since this one depends on main.cpp)
mod6: hey ascii_butugychag, so i figured out what my dumbass did yesterday. somehow, when looking at your fix patch - I missed the portion where you changed main.cpp altogether.
mircea_popescu: jurov i could read that!
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ <-- afaik the only ways are 1) require coinbase receiver's signature in block header << this is rank nonsense. i'm not signing to receive bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: i have no idea who makes their gaskets tho.
ascii_butugychag: the more i think about it, the more it seems to me that mining is a catastrophic bug per se
mircea_popescu: see, i suspect ascii_butugychag this is the major contradiction here. your idea of safety is to make it non-outsourceable, but i suspect it'd be both better and safer to make it FAIRLY outsourceable.
adlai: i just want to understand what ascii_butugychag suggested there, instead of each block header including the previous header's hash. i probably got thrown off by the word "nonce" leaking in there
ascii_butugychag: ok i see what mircea_popescu meant
adlai: i didn't ask what the implications are, or why, i'm asking what exactly your proposal is, implementation-wise
mircea_popescu: yes, but you also know what i mean.
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag i don't. nobody has learned anything else since 30 years ago.
ascii_butugychag: this, i also have trouble seeing how it could be controversial.
mircea_popescu: adolescentine fits re "but bucket of water could cause flood and rubbing things together starts fires so i shouldn't have to sweep" notwithstanding.
mircea_popescu: hey, i'm not the one proposing change.
ascii_butugychag: i'm not convinced that it is possible for mircea_popescu and the secret cabal of the smallint other mircea_popescus to actually get off the bitcoin bus without perma-crashing the universe
mircea_popescu: as long as that delivers this, i see no problem.
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag anyway, if the nice folks of whatever wish to change bitcoin more in the sense of, full block hash not headers, i wouldn't automatically reject it. i described a point which must be included, but i also said its details are open to discussion.
ascii_butugychag: that much i can see, is a desirable thing
mircea_popescu: i mean. how is this more or different of a workfunction change.
ascii_butugychag: attempt at 'i/o-hard' workfunction
ascii_butugychag: what i don't get is what desirable thing the workfunction change accomplishes
ascii_butugychag: i get that miners without nodes are retarded, but that is easily fixed just by requiring whole-block hash in the nonce rather than the idiot header system
ascii_butugychag: i think i have a stronger chance of flying to mircea_popescu's house on a glider powered by my own farts, than for this to so much as budge the schelling point from bitcoin by so much as a nanometre.
trinque: perhaps it is a matter of the key generated being invalid, though I would've expected the bits I'm using for pubkey/address generation to barf at that, and didn't
trinque: jurov: btcd is choking on the transaction representing felipelalli's deed; I've been looking at it
mircea_popescu: yeah, i'm sure they do. why ?
ascii_butugychag: and i can easily go buy 1tb of ram whenever, as can anybody
ascii_butugychag: i also vaguely recall ^this aspect being appealing to mircea_popescu ?
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: i still don't grasp the 'technological reasons' from footnote v
phf: can imagine future where ascii big trb senator is forced by opposition forces to sign, "i will not siiiign"
mircea_popescu: anyway, yes, i'm taking the time from my days of orgies and icecream to read this thing.
ascii_butugychag: but will pronounce - 'this is braindamaged and i will not sign.'
ascii_butugychag: i in particular can't prevent anybody from doing anything.
polarbeard: so if I can add another patch on top of these I will keep working on it but I'm tired of rediffing...
polarbeard: to be honest, I see this thing going forward if I don't have to generate a new patch again
mircea_popescu: polarbeard i dunno that it was expected to either. prolly isn't, really. just, bitcoin code is too layered, random and messy.
polarbeard: mircea_popescu: I didn't know it was expected to solve it, but ok, I see this patch is consuming too much time from everybody...
mircea_popescu: i do object to return ret; in principle.
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag i didn't object to it in principle, but it's also not covered by the new logging model.
Tasoshi: what I find surprising is that the propaganda video has any persuasive power when it visually shows its settlement system as being very centralised - that is many people connecting to 1 hub/bank...
jurov: i.e. devteam just rushing to enhance and extend without putting things on stable footing
jurov: Tasoshi nonsense. I personally was convinced by stuff like this: https://bitbet.us/bet/302/bitcoin-standardized-protocol-approved-this-summer/
PeterL: ascii_butugychag I think I was wrong, it is not inciatus to which I connected, looks like Dulap?
assbot: Logged on 01-02-2016 14:26:12; jurov: mod6 ben_vulpes asciilifeform : do I understand right sha512 is hardwired in V? is there a space for sane upgrade path?
Tasoshi: I mean, it is true isn't it mircea_popescu that you agreed with onchain scaling in 2013? But anyway looks like you guys are busy so I'll leave you to it.
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: i disagree that the mega-turd that touches 10,000 lines is justified.
assbot: Logged on 01-02-2016 13:48:58; PeterL: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/81b25113-e9e7-485d-995a-b13e790305ae/?raw=true << so I just restarted bitcoind, using -connect to all the trb nodes in the wiki, it looks like only Inciatus is letting me connect, the rest are refusing my connection?
Tasoshi: I am enquiring what exactly changed your opinion in 2013?
mircea_popescu: fine, if you must. "meanwhile i read the code".
Tasoshi: I am sure you know your own history better than I
Tasoshi: So Satoshi's great test to determine whether bitcoin can operate through decentralised consensus is now on. mircea_popescu, I have been looking at some old posts and it seemed that in 2013 you agreed with Satoshi and his vision. What exactly did you learn in 2013 to turn yourself against Satoshi's vision itself?