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BingoBoingo: I really don't see how in this case mike_c could have demonstrated "non-aggression" alone. For his action, he actively acknowledged WoT supremacy. For his recognition of WoT supremacy,
laziness has a demonstrable cost. BingoBoingo: diana_coman: Note also what mike_c did not do. He did not go shopping around for
a lower bidding lord after I gave him the strategy and then clarified the strategy, catching him up on where the Republic has advanced during his absence.
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: Right. As asciilifeform is still politically alligned with the Republic, I find the proposal agreeable in creating
a second opportunity to demonstrate continuing submission.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-19 10:04:00 BingoBoingo: Per the agreement mike_c has made
a payment to me for my voice in the forum with no provision for any refund to himself. He chose this demonstration after being offered the cheaper alternative of instead sweating out his ammends in the Qntra newsmines
BingoBoingo: It didn't take many lines of conversation or
a whole hour for mike_c to find that the after missing out on things over the years like the entire history of an ISP... An actual demonstration of the value of WoT position and the barriers presented by WoT gating was his best possible demonstration of submission.
BingoBoingo: In the general case I see
a -1 or -2 negrating as
a sort of "caution", but I find it hard to read
a -10 as anything other than the recipient being marked as future salt-pork that happens to maybe be on the hoof at the time of rating.
BingoBoingo: Per the agreement mike_c has made
a payment to me for my voice in the forum with no provision for any refund to himself. He chose this demonstration after being offered the cheaper alternative of instead sweating out his ammends in the Qntra newsmines
deedbot: BingoBoingo updated rating of mike_c from -1 to 2 << After
a long absence came to swift submission to Republican WoT power structure at
a greater cost to self than initially proposed
BingoBoingo: !!rate mike_c 2 After
a long absence came to swift submission to Republican WoT power structure at
a greater cost to self than initially proposed
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 19:26:33 mp_en_viaje: so the answer will probably have to carve itself
a space within these two wires. now, how exactly, is what we're talking about.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 19:16:09 mp_en_viaje: getting back to the whole "among they themselves" : the classical form of the sq in extremis was something along the lines of consules darent operam ne quid detrimenti res publica caperet ; videant consules ne res publica detrimenti capiat. let those guys in charge of things make sure the public shit dun get burned. there's gotta be some commonality for
a republic to exist in the first place.
mp_en_viaje: goes quite well after
a lazy breakfast consisting of
a sampler of halva we bought in this little shop in the edirne bazaar (which is pretty fucking cool btw), assorted dried fruits, ayran, tahin, chestnuts an' whatnot. i'm very roundly sated and just as thoroughly satisfied.
mp_en_viaje: amusingly, place does have
a fire alarm. apparently this is not
a concern.
mp_en_viaje: jfw, " or at any rate that the costs of such
a change be born by he who makes it" << be borne. diff word, to bear, entirely unrelated to birth.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-19 00:23:27 BingoBoingo: There is
a tentative agreement.
mp_en_viaje: what's more, this has played out quite
a few times to date, it either dies from inconsequence ("and so who the fuck are you and him anyways ?"), is resolved through some kinda mediation ("how about instead of fucking each other you do x and live ?") or else "you/him is
a complete fuckwad, get the fuck lost, i can't even believe you can have this problem."
mp_en_viaje: speaking of which, anyone recall back in the bitbet pioneering shutdown days, when i proposed
a process and ben_vulpes got all suspicious, "omfg, he aims to keep it!!!"
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 22:36:59 trinque: it's worth mentioning at this point that I'm
a deeply self-critical man. obviously the airgapped wallet approach is exactly what I did with deedbot
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 22:33:15 trinque: build them
a process that does not suck atop your tool, and let the changes to said tool flow from their needs and yours.
mp_en_viaje:
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955681 << here's the dilemma : when starting
a slutteria, you can either approach girls who would make great sluts, or girls who want to be sluts. sure, sometimes you might find the willing talent, but this is besides the point, that's her merit. the point is your process, and you're tooled for either one or the other.
mp_en_viaje: this is how people have heirs, "you'll get
a good son just as soon as she's popped all the kids she had in her and no sooner."
mp_en_viaje: because this seems an even more drastic & destructurating criticism of engineering than
my own.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 22:30:19 trinque: we can't build towards the purpose of e.g. running game/browser/etc, even if in the end
a browser or game runs atop
mp_en_viaje: but i must say, there's something in no way short of fabulous in taking
a woman to
a place completely incomprehensible, structured in manners irreducible to her own experience, and demaning
a choice, and then applying the choice. "you want this ?
a you do ? ok, now drink it!"
BingoBoingo: Both visits were pleasant. Now that I'm not tied to
a rack I'll certainly have to see Northern Latino lands.
mp_en_viaje: whatevs dood, ima be back in cr soonish, we throw
a party.
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: Sadly so... it's not
a pretty picture. Biggest change since 2017 is less operators run more ops.
mp_en_viaje: so this'll double as
a "republic's dc inventory & census, 2019" ?
trinque: if anyone, I'd want
a man unwilling to steal, so help him god, running the money tables
trinque: it's worth mentioning at this point that I'm
a deeply self-critical man. obviously the airgapped wallet approach is exactly what I did with deedbot
trinque: build them
a process that does not suck atop your tool, and let the changes to said tool flow from their needs and yours.
trinque: we can't build towards the purpose of e.g. running game/browser/etc, even if in the end
a browser or game runs atop
trinque: What is banned is any decision from your graphics stack informing
a decision on whether I have the shitwad of deps your graphics stack demands.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 18:44:31 jfw: "minimal possible bootable" seems
a slippery goal, you could trim down to barely any OS at all. But then some pesky user comes along and wants graphics, and TCP, and to run on recent iron and then what.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 19:26:33 mp_en_viaje: so the answer will probably have to carve itself
a space within these two wires. now, how exactly, is what we're talking about.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 19:16:09 mp_en_viaje: getting back to the whole "among they themselves" : the classical form of the sq in extremis was something along the lines of consules darent operam ne quid detrimenti res publica caperet ; videant consules ne res publica detrimenti capiat. let those guys in charge of things make sure the public shit dun get burned. there's gotta be some commonality for
a republic to exist in the first place.
mp_en_viaje: basically anything that's neither
a family owned deli nor
a blue chip usg subsidiary calls itself start-up these days huh
mp_en_viaje:
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955615 << irl, most coin sits in appaling security contexts and yet "liberations" are indeed rare. it's
a problem of roi, most theft is opportunity-driven rather than systematic (mirroring how most people's houses ~could~ be broken in,
by your gf. but most people's houses nevertheless aren't broken into -- and especially not by your
ossabot: Logged on 2018-01-28 00:58:37 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in other chicks can code moments, "I earned my degree and license in cosmetology and had
a horrible career as
a hair dresser that I ended in 2015 due to social anxiety. I still love hair theory, and I even really enjoy working on people with whom I share
a close relationship, but now I'm in pursuit of
a new path."
mp_en_viaje: "he fucked my 3yo daughter with
a barbed metal pole, here are the bloody remains", for instance. you'll ignore ~everything~, "he's always been paying rent on time so i really don't care about the corspes" ?
mp_en_viaje: so the answer will probably have to carve itself
a space within these two wires. now, how exactly, is what we're talking about.
mp_en_viaje: conversely, you also can't ask me to talk to people i don't want to talk to, i'm not
a public woman.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-17 20:04:01 lobbes:
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-17#1955551 << I keep coming back to this point. The meaning of any rating is something that each individual must weigh for themselves, isn't it? Could there be
a 'blanket' upfront decision as such? (Very possible I'm just not picking up the nuance, however)
mp_en_viaje: there's at the very least some basis for this, such as
a "is user entirely harmless or potentially harmful". user eminently harmful on pizarro, couldn't afford luxury to ignore negrates for instance.
mp_en_viaje: practice's been evolving multipliy, eg, people got booted off pizarro if negrated ; we never gave
a shit / booted nobody off eulora for same (iirc).
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-17 17:56:46 diana_coman: BingoBoingo: my main trouble is not at all with the payment, in principle, but mainly with the notion of
a single, clear meaning for "negrated", to start with.
mp_en_viaje: getting back to the whole "among they themselves" : the classical form of the sq in extremis was something along the lines of consules darent operam ne quid detrimenti res publica caperet ; videant consules ne res publica detrimenti capiat. let those guys in charge of things make sure the public shit dun get burned. there's gotta be some commonality for
a republic to exist in the first place.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-17 17:19:10 diana_coman: I have to admit that I can't quite see
a way one would go exactly about making
a decision based on
a case argued on this sort of thing but then again, it would be the first so I don't find it all that surprising that it's not clear upfront, ofc.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-17 17:06:35 diana_coman:
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-17#1955541 - I have to admit that I rather considered this sort of situations to be more
a matter between the people directly involved and as such it didn't seem to me that there was
a need for some sort of upfront decision.
mp_en_viaje:
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-17#1955551 << i don't think this view is sound, because it essentially destroys the possibility of
a republic. the term literally denotes "things held in common". whether these are women, sacks of grain, ships, itineraries or ideas can be mixed and matched ; but that SOMETHING will be held in common, and thus not "between the people themselves" is the quintessential prerequisite of
a republic, and in genera
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-17 11:31:00 BingoBoingo: !Qlater tell mike_c This is
a high risk case, and it presents an especially high danger for anyone arguing it on your behalf. My greatest asset is my WoT position, and should I argue your case and recover the coin... The argument that will have won your coin will present
a risk to my WoT position if it is later found to be bad precedent.
jfw: "minimal possible bootable" seems
a slippery goal, you could trim down to barely any OS at all. But then some pesky user comes along and wants graphics, and TCP, and to run on recent iron and then what.
jfw: That'd be my template for
a more conservative startup I suppose. When I moved to Panama (late 2013) and met dorion, he had recently started an entry-level position at Coinapult, which was running on Wall St. financing. I met some of them, at one point inquired about
a job but was declined.
deedbot: diana_coman updated rating of juliankunkel from 2 to 1 << busy being
a CS lecturer at Reading Uni.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-17 17:06:35 diana_coman:
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-17#1955541 - I have to admit that I rather considered this sort of situations to be more
a matter between the people directly involved and as such it didn't seem to me that there was
a need for some sort of upfront decision.
lobbes:
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-17#1955551 << I keep coming back to this point. The meaning of any rating is something that each individual must weigh for themselves, isn't it? Could there be
a 'blanket' upfront decision as such? (Very possible I'm just not picking up the nuance, however)
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-17 05:00:55 mp_en_viaje: i get we're basically getting scammed by the duplicitous nature of the lazy, and will be, forever. cuz that's how the world goes, that's how laziness survives as
a survival mechanism in the first place. but i'd much rather we understand each other on the topic, than it just proceed on my authority and then whatever, ten years later it'll be "mp just shouldn't have paid all these asshats" or who the fuck knows what
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-17 05:00:53 mp_en_viaje: so... i think it's high time we have
a conversation about it, and
a l1 consultus on the topic, and so forth. what, exactly, is the negrated to get from the republic ? and why ? and wherefore ?
diana_coman: BingoBoingo: my main trouble is not at all with the payment, in principle, but mainly with the notion of
a single, clear meaning for "negrated", to start with.
BingoBoingo: I don't even see loss of citizenship and therefore rights as an extreme meaning of
a negrating, especially at -10. That's more of
a -1, -2
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-17 05:00:53 mp_en_viaje: so... i think it's high time we have
a conversation about it, and
a l1 consultus on the topic, and so forth. what, exactly, is the negrated to get from the republic ? and why ? and wherefore ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-17 05:00:17 mp_en_viaje: however i'm also getting prety sick of all this self-uppity cuntery whereby douche "gets upset" at mpex/republic/the world. as if there even CAN BE such
a thing as "upset at the totality of existence".
diana_coman: I have to admit that I can't quite see
a way one would go exactly about making
a decision based on
a case argued on this sort of thing but then again, it would be the first so I don't find it all that surprising that it's not clear upfront, ofc.
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: It's
a nuanced thing. There is very good reason the proposal I put in channel is structured *exactly* the way it is.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-16 05:36:02 spyked: !Qlater tell dorion_road in UEFI study/review news, I'm behind with all my tasks on the subject. I'm slowly getting back on track this week, aiming to have
a report published by monday the 23rd
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-17 05:00:53 mp_en_viaje: so... i think it's high time we have
a conversation about it, and
a l1 consultus on the topic, and so forth. what, exactly, is the negrated to get from the republic ? and why ? and wherefore ?
BingoBoingo: !Qlater tell mike_c Since the discussion appears ready
to happen sooner rather than later I give you the option of sending 35BTC to 15eVXAW7k8uKc5moDFUSc9Y3jmHFAenNXo as
a retainer. As it is 2019 I'll assume 35 BTC arriving at the address is yours and not someone else's misfire.
BingoBoingo: !Qlater tell mike_c I am willing to argue your case. Without your providing more details the cost structure is as follows: 35 BTC up front, 10 BTC to be refunded if my argument on your behalf loses. The best way for you to start negotiating this price downward is starting
a conversation about the case in #agriculturalsupremacy
BingoBoingo: !Qlater tell mike_c This is
a high risk case, and it presents an especially high danger for anyone arguing it on your behalf. My greatest asset is my WoT position, and should I argue your case and recover the coin... The argument that will have won your coin will present
a risk to my WoT position if it is later found to be bad precedent.
BingoBoingo: !Qlater tell mike_c Your are cordially invited to GPGgram details of your situation to me or come into #agriculturalsupremacy and get me up to speed on your situation in
a logged channel.
mp_en_viaje: i'll be exploring nis today ; and will be in sofia sometime tomorrow so we can have
a proceeding on all these interesting topics no earlier than then.