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jfw: I suppose what happens is
the gravedigger who fancied
there might be some life in
the bodies gets convinced otherwise. From
the first response: "Unicode 12.1 added
the symbol for
the new Japanese era, Reiwa Era. You will be unable
to represent current dates in
the Japanese calendar without
this update." ; "I have been personally impacted by
the lack of [political sort order]" ; "No one user
mircea_popescu: i don't expect much happening in
that sense. if you bury
the dead rather
than let
them rot under
the bird-ladden sky, what happens ?
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-04 22:40:07 mircea_popescu: jfw, re
the whole
musl & locales issue, it might be an idea
to signal
to
them, "look, we use musl, and we don't
think
this is a good idea". irrespective of whether it does anything, at least
that way
they can't say
they didn't realise "unanimity" is hallucinated etc.
bvt: diana_coman: answered your comment yesterday, uploaded
the regrind of p.1 and p.2 yesterday as well.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-17 23:08:08 mircea_popescu: i get it, you're a nice fellow and would like for
things
to be good and work out. nothing wrong with
that. you wanna help along with
the
things, excellent.
the prompter's at "get
the few who actually seem like
they could have something intelligent
to say on
the
topic
to comment on
the proposed spec ; an' help mp figure out why
they don't apparently naturally want
to ; but without going out of what he's doing, s
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-17 23:07:57 mircea_popescu: wth do you even represent
the eventual world-equivalent of your word usage
to be ?
two weeks hence mod6 shows up with a working drop-in replacement for an intricate, specialist piece of machinery
that happens
to be built with skills he doesn't have by an advanced programmer he isn't on a worldview he doesn't share ?
dorion: a reason I read
the logs w/o
talking was
that very "try and figure out how
to conduct myself such
that
the others don't puke." as I had puked myself reading
the various douchebags.
dorion: it seems like if it is a great place it ought
to have a stiff learning curve.
mircea_popescu: perhaps
the best model
to inform
this issue'd be
the western cowbody brought
to boston, or any other such savage-in-london rapturous moments. well... do you suppose heaven has a stiff learning curve ? how
to conduct yourself such as all
the others
there don't
throw up ?
mircea_popescu: imagine by
the way what serious problems
the concept of heaven actually poses
to people. what do
they do
there all day ? well, conceivably, IF indeed
they do something, if haven's something besides hell under another name (the problem with hell self-evidently ain't "the fire", but
THE BOREDOM)
they conceivably do something. yet... what ? likely not anything driven or inspired by "the flesh", which leaves... what does it
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-17 23:07:38 mircea_popescu: one is
that
the spec as sketched by me is nowhere near mature enough for implementation in
the first place ; it requires some actual looking at and discussion ; some prototyping, some
trying out after it's mature before
the implementation is actually in a state where anyone'd
trust it with anything ; which first anythings will very likely NOT be
the changing of how V works around it.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-17 18:32:47 dorion: I'll let him show and
tell, his patch removes
the whole rotor orchestra since Gales is musl static anyway.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-17 09:37:40 diana_coman: maybe I'm not fully getting
the idea of
the manifest file here but my current understanding is
that it's a record of
the history and as such I really don't see any case where something gets deleted from it - at most it gets branched from a previous version but
that's still an added line
to (a previous version of)
the manifest file.
mircea_popescu: r instance by speciffically calling
them for it point blank. for some reason he didn't do
that
though he self-evidently could have, maybe
there's a reason for
that other
than his being shy, such as perhaps
that he doesn't wanna force march it, for which call
there might in
turn also be reasons and so on."
mircea_popescu: i get it, you're a nice fellow and would like for
things
to be good and work out. nothing wrong with
that. you wanna help along with
the
things, excellent.
the prompter's at "get
the few who actually seem like
they could have something intelligent
to say on
the
topic
to comment on
the proposed spec ; an' help mp figure out why
they don't apparently naturally want
to ; but without going out of what he's doing, such as fo
mircea_popescu: whenever it's bois freedom afternoon at
the household of whatever chick owns his sorry ass, half hour sunday while she's out with her friends or w/e, and
then drops random offensive nonsense
that doesn't actually go with anything but it's nevertheless
the best he could get
to in
the limited
time and with
the limited involvement his owner permits.
mircea_popescu: wth do you even represent
the eventual world-equivalent of your word usage
to be ?
two weeks hence mod6 shows up with a working drop-in replacement for an intricate, specialist piece of machinery
that happens
to be built with skills he doesn't have by an advanced programmer he isn't on a worldview he doesn't share ?
mircea_popescu: there's more,
too but anyways, you're supposed
to be aware of
these
things, as part and parcel of what having an internal life of
the mind ever means.
mircea_popescu: yet one in
three or four or whatever's still way
the fuck more
than absolute zero, which is what you'll get out of "hey, [name i picked out of
the hat], do [thing i picked out of
the hat]".
mircea_popescu: while ~everything was built on it (putting it intellectually way ahead of, say,
THE ENTIRE COLLECTIVE OF LISP USERS &
their collected historical products, or anything else "the civilised" Western world has
to offer), nevertheless it really fails more often
than it delivers.
mircea_popescu: another reason is
that
this
throwing darts work allocation method's never been observed
to work in practice.
the correct way
to allocate work, as actually observable in
the damned logs you've supposedly read and re-read, actually works on a very hit-and-miss basis in
the first place (owing
to itemized an' specifically described failures an' assorted head cockroaches of
the ~worthless white anglophone young male)
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-17 18:32:25 dorion: perhaps mod6
takes
the lead
to implement
the clearsigned scheme on his
keccak regrind of
the
trb
tree.
mircea_popescu: you're burning no less
than
three major steps here, which is not how
things work.
mircea_popescu: one is
that
the spec as sketched by me is nowhere near mature enough for implementation in
the first place ; it requires some actual looking at and discussion ; some prototyping, some
trying out after it's mature before
the implementation is actually in a state where anyone'd
trust it with anything ; which first anythings will very likely NOT be
the changing of how V works around it.
dorion: spyked is
rebuilding trb shortly, so if mod6 leads
the way, followed by jfw and spyked
that's at least 3 people scrutinizing
the clearsigning scheme,
tools and likely many of
the same patches within
the same
timeframe.
dorion: I'll let him show and
tell, his patch removes
the whole rotor orchestra since Gales is musl static anyway.
dorion: jfw is
expecting to finish
the offline side of Gales Bitcoin Wallet
this week, so his development plate will be clearing a bit. He has an unpublished patch
to
trb
to simplify
the build system on Gales, so checking/working with mod6 and getting his patch published could be his next priority. Among other simplifications
dorion: perhaps mod6
takes
the lead
to implement
the clearsigned scheme on his
keccak regrind of
the
trb
tree.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-05 22:50:12 mircea_popescu: well, hm. maybe it's
time
to re-iterate
this point, especially seeing how diana_coman 's
recent work,
bvt: diana_coman:
ty for spotting
this. i will regring vpatches p.1 and p.2; i wanted
to make
the vpatch p.1 name
the same in manifest and file system, but did
the wrong
thing
there just editing
the line from previous vpatch in vpatch p.2.
diana_coman: maybe I'm not fully getting
the idea of
the manifest file here but my current understanding is
that it's a record of
the history and as such I really don't see any case where something gets deleted from it - at most it gets branched from a previous version but
that's still an added line
to (a previous version of)
the manifest file.
diana_coman: bvt: why does your
vpatch cancel a line from
the manifest?
To my mind
this doesn't quite make sense - if you want
to revert
to a previous point,
that means simply branching
the
tree from a previous node so using *that* manifest, doesn't it?
lobbes: mp_en_viaje: ack.
This'll give me
time
to prep
the
thing anyways
mp_en_viaje: im just about gonna be busy here with moving back
to cr, so it'll not happen
till feb sometime.
lobbes: mp_en_viaje: in other bot news I
ditched that last host and found a new one on Friday;
they claim 48 hours
to deliver so I'm expecting it'll be ready for me
to start setting it up by probably Wed.
This new host is in Brasil btw
lobbes:
http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2020-02-16#1958115 <<
the
toilet vps lobbesbot is on is down again. Will see what
they say. (honestly atm lobbesbot has ~only
two used commands: !Qlater-tell and !Qcalc ; instead of finding a new home for lobbesbot I'd rather just make another bot do
those and retire
the
thing. But I've got other botworks in
the queue)
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-15 22:52:40 mp_en_viaje: !Qlater
tell spyked you know i got a comment in your queue since like fri
mp_en_viaje: !Qlater
tell spyked you know i got a comment in your queue since like fri
mp_en_viaje: !!later
tell spyked you know i got a comment in your queue since like fri
mp_en_viaje: i seriously do not wish
to hear anymore from you. if all you've got inside is in
that vein, do me
the favour and make
that your last word.
mp_en_viaje: fucking inane bullshit, you've decided
to see what action actionbot can bring ? who
the fuck are you ? go measure
the
thickness of walls somewhere already,
there's 0
the fuck need for YET ANOTHER pompous asshole
to do me
the very great service of counting my balls.
mp_en_viaje: i just
temporarily lost
the services of a laptop
through
the cord sparking in
the exact same way. fucktards.
whaack: mircea_popescu: noted. what I gather is I
tried
to use a style I dun understand and created something amusing in
the “laugh at” rather
than “laugh with” sense. When you say
the various “similarly looking” articles substantially aren’t at all similar - did you mean
that
the
trilema articles are not similar
to each other or
that
they’re not similar
to what I produced?
mircea_popescu: but in any case,
the math... actually, i suppose i might as well make
this an article huh. brb
mircea_popescu: except, of course, for
the part where wuhan was never within western world
tolerances for pollutants
this millenium, nor since
the mid 80s/early 90s, and
this includes everything, not just so2.
these are
the people building coal power plants by
the hundred A DAY, after all.
mircea_popescu: which, you know, ~technically~ could be
the result of burning corpses. you know, like because so many people died from
the latest "bird flu" nonsense
that
there's a cloud of sulphur dioxide
mircea_popescu: in other lulz,
the media circus of
the day revolves around
the femstate's "weather satellites" having noticed SO2 over wuhan in concentrations of like... 1400 ug/m3
mircea_popescu: yes. it specifically permits one
to manage an interlocking system of options.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: sure re karstic hills;
to my mind redundancy does something
though (that is not
to say it *guarantees* anything, of course, nor
that it's any guarantees
that are
to be sought anyway).
mircea_popescu: the reason we want better
tools is for
to manage
the interlocking system of options, as per von moltke's doctrine (yes, fellow's not coincidentally mentioned ; but indeed has been for a long
time among
the greatest influences of manly sanity available), not
to actually ~do~ anything forthwith.
mircea_popescu: everything
that exists is easily gone. rome sits on karstic hills, a guatemala-style sinkhole could have opened up and swallowed it 600 cubits underearth at any point. it didn't, which is besides
the point in
this discussion.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: in 2 words, easily gone; only yest freenode was in full blown idiocy with all
those parts, not like it can't decide one day
to further idiocy.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu:
that is
true re basic
tools, certainly; it strikes me
that we are for all intent and purpose "gathering" here in
the forum, no? sure, presumably
the blogs can work
too as alternative (they did or at least
trilema did when needed) but still.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-04 01:39:30 mircea_popescu:
there's a lenghty pile of disadvantages
to
the current mechanism we use, not least of
these being
that it actually imports koch-pgp. it also does suspect signature shenanigans of all sorts, which could potentially present security risks
diana_coman: hm, brings
the current failure
to move off freenode (and still no gossipd either) into focus really.
mircea_popescu: before some point cca 300, all
that was good in
this world was sorting out
the seating arrangements on
the benches in
this acre of park somewhere. after
that point, it was not.
mircea_popescu: and obviously odoacer had
that major effect, of ruining
the roman forum's schelling point quality. something which it had, perdurantly, for centuries, was lost one summer, like
things are lost, like all lido gets a sandbar eventually.
mircea_popescu: to gather,
they must gather somewhere. if
the lordship fails
to produce a schelling point,
they will not gather.
mircea_popescu: well no, but look : lords
there shall be.
that's
the first node. now, what shall
they do ? either
they gather, or
they do not.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: hm, perhaps I can see
the "retreat" as
that ie why not cooperate with
the rest so
that maybe one does x and another y and so on; rather
than each
tarabostes-style; but otherwise, I don't
think
there was much *else*
to do.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, i mean it's not
the effect but
the cause.