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mircea_popescu: =2i+1. suppose you verify that nodes Nm do not advertise Y. is this proof sufficient to you that nodes N1... Nn is a charade, and they are all node N ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform suppose there's nodes N1... Nn advertising themselves on the network. suppose you send txn X to all nodes Nk where k is divisible by 2, which has the properties that a) it would not be broadcast to any further nodes, and b) it would prevent transaction Y from being accepted in the mempool. suppose you verify that nodes Nk where k = 2i do not in fact advertise X. suppose you broadcast Y to nodes Nm where m ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: how is nubbins` 'tenuous' ? i thought he was a serious stockholder, long before i even came here.
asciilifeform: i have nfi, and might be a shoemaker.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform is there anything more than random derp of tenuous association with b-a has a total meltdown when he realises that b-a is not fiat, the republic not a democracy and i don't give a shit about "people themselves" ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-03-2016#1425011 << they should have been. except if the "non overlapping" sets of miners DO in fact overlap, in the sense of being merely meaningless facades of the same one thing, in which case they wouldn't necessarily know that they can be trivially fingerprinted by the symptom of "hey, apparently they know about a txn they shouldn't know about". ☝︎
mircea_popescu: looking for the low down on argentina ? read it in qntra today, or in the argentinian mass media a week later.
mircea_popescu: "El fiscal Alberto Nisman volvió a ocupar el centro de la escena. La investigación sobre su muerte está tomando una orientación, cuyo desenlace se puede prever: Nisman fue víctima de un asesinato en el que participó el gobierno de Cristina Kirchner, en combinación con agentes iraníes."
nubbins`: no kidding, i can only fit one broken contract in my head at a time
asciilifeform: did i ever even once publish a broadcast exactly on time ?
nubbins`: guess it took a couple days to work up the courage to introduce that private expense
nubbins`: also, FWIW, S.BBET has officially missed the Feb 5th deadline for publishing a (signed) feb 2016 statement.
davout: curious why you'd say "that's a weird distribution - 70 transactions were made when block 400728 was the current block, and only 16 were made at a later point in time" when the majority of the referenced transactions have a 0 locktime
BingoBoingo: seems a bit early to do a piece on this.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-03-2016#1425662 << this very readily suggests to me a malleus-II ☝︎
assbot: dpaste: 382FKCJ: blocks either side of 400739 show a similar pattern too ... ( http://bit.ly/1U0eX2G )
BingoBoingo: <nubbins`> BingoBoingo how do / can i submit a qntra piece? << sign/encrypt a document and pass it to me somehow
nubbins`: <+asciilifeform>because those who stopped, stopped so that they could scam consumers. << two wrongs make not a right
pete_dushenski: nubbins`: lol is 'piece of shit' a term of endearment on your end of the globe ? i have a hard time keeping track of all the different culture nuances in this vast and expansive country of ours
danielpbarron: nubbins`> BingoBoingo what's next?! signed & ready to go << link the signed encrypted thing as a text file (on dpaste or your own site) in a later tell to Bingo
nubbins`: fwiw, the "bi" is short for "binary", because -- yep, you guessed it -- 1024 is a tidy 2^10
dooglus: then there's this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kibibyte telling me there are 1000 bytes in a kilobyte and 1024 bytes in a kibibyte...
dooglus: they also think kB is spelled with a capital K. whenever blockchain.info disagrees with another block explorer, it's wrong
pete_dushenski: so bc.info suddenly forgot that there are 1024 bytes in a kb, like the girl who thinks that her 3 months old son is '12 weeks old' ?
asciilifeform: and now that i think about it, phf had a block disasmer in commonlisp.
asciilifeform: and this is really appropriately a shiva project.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i do not. but this'd be a good beginner project
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: dunno if this is a common occurrence, just noticed it because it was raised in bb comment.
assbot: Lacessiveram editor on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GY9tv0 )
dooglus: right. the majority of txs which do have a height baked in were created 10 blocks before that block
pete_dushenski: in other matters of discrepancy vis-a-vis bitbet, https://bitbet.us/bet/1217/bitcoin-main-net-block-size-to-increase-before/#c5748 https://blockchain.info/block-index/1087033/000000000000000006ee25df43ce4b44f6ee4f67032da09bba60001c34437017 http://blockr.io/block/info/401585
nubbins`: it would be remiss for readers to miss out on a summation of this action
nubbins`: BingoBoingo how do / can i submit a qntra piece?
dooglus: most people don't use prb - most transactions don't have a non-zero locktime - but lots do
dooglus: I saw MP's "a cartel of Bitcoin miners is deliberately and systematically withholding blocks for an interval of about 20 minutes to a half hour" and was sceptical
assbot: Logged on 07-03-2016 15:47:24; mircea_popescu: it just turned a mild magic number ("get all the headers no less than 2000) into a fucking protocol limit. "only get 2k". this is utter nonsense.
assbot: Limit getheaders to a hard 2000. by TheBlueMatt · Pull Request #951 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1U0bTn3 )
danielpbarron: on a related note, neither is worth much
danielpbarron: well i don't masquerade as a finance expert while making my shoes..
nubbins`: MAYBE IT WAS A COMPLIMENT
nubbins`: wow, he called me a shoemaker as an insult earlier
danielpbarron: i'm a shoe shipper hehe
asciilifeform: (this is a term in ru also.)
asciilifeform: i think i am what mircea_popescu terms a 'shoemaker.'
trinque: nubbins`: you have an embarassing habit of throwing jabs at everyone in a room when you have a problem with one
asciilifeform: but imho it is not a very interesting thread without him.
trinque: I butter mine on both, use as a transportation device
nubbins`: speaking as a man of no religion, you understand.
nubbins`: danielpbarron as is your perogative; however, in a battle of trust vs facts, i'd rather stick with facts
nubbins`: bitbet got washed at a red by mp
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: this would, then, have the unpleasant flavour of the car wash folks, who wash you at a red light and then ask for pay.
nubbins`: i don't think anyone's seriously floating that as a solution
asciilifeform: which we signed. and notice, there is not such a thing there.
nubbins`: jurov i've never sent a 0-fee tx
nubbins`: asciilifeform and his suggestion provoked a hearty lel from me
danielpbarron: heh i'm a shareholder of both, although not a very big one. full disclosure : i have more invested in bbet than nsa
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: how do the shareholders of s.nsa feel about such a thing ?
BingoBoingo may have to make the jump to power tools. Crosscut saw has given arm a beating.
danielpbarron: maybe the 17 btc should be donated to bbet by s.nsa? If indeed the whole point was to make a point about the brokenness of bitcoin.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> nubbins` carefully inspects his chair every day before he sits down in it ? << This is inspiring a yard project. I have a tall yet narrow tree to take down. Will make a tree stake before gone forever!
nubbins`: or, y'know, just pay the chair a reasonable fee
asciilifeform: and let's say the chair breaks one time, and nubbins` finds out that it was because of something a bunch of subhuman scum did.
nubbins`: didn't give a fuck, tried em anyway
nubbins`: fuck everybody, i am mp. a 0-fee tx "should" work in my ideal utopia, so it's everyone else's fault if something weird happens
nubbins`: hadn't taken a look at the rat's nest?
asciilifeform: the way i'm reading it, he was trying to make a point, that the currency is broken (and it is), and that he refuses to be held to answer for ~it being broken~
nubbins`: and instead chose to breach a contract
asciilifeform: but he did not do this because he is a ~principled~ fella.
nubbins`: just think: if bitbet had socked away the 10btc that the random dude said it stole from him, there'd only be a 7 btc fraudulent expense on the books
nubbins`: also seems a fairly retarded way to run a business, now that this has happened
nubbins`: he could've picked a better month to try it
nubbins`: that's gonna take like a year or two, man
nubbins`: so your choices are ponzi or fraud, served with a side of breached contract
asciilifeform: nubbins`: recall, mircea_popescu said something to the effect of that he was putting out a fire.
nubbins`: aka a ponzi
nubbins`: a private expense being, e.g., mp spending his own money out of free will
nubbins`: there is, however, a thing in the bbet listing about not putting private expenses on the books.
asciilifeform: and this is not a mega-surprise, it is quite how the 'separation between the man and the uniform' thing works.
asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu pulled the reactor control rods out because he had a drink too many, the shareholders, per the spec, have precisely two options - to forgive him, or to sell
assbot: Logged on 07-03-2016 16:12:01; mircea_popescu: PeterL when the ceo of a company makes a stupid mistake, the company pays for it. there are exactly no exceptions to this rule, nor will there ever be. morever, even when what the ceo does isn't a stupid mistake, the shareholders still pay for it.
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nubbins`: mpoe sinking like a stone since mp falsely claimed a chinese cartel fork
nubbins`: i should make a bet, "mp will attempt once more to remove nubs from lordship list by march 9"
nubbins`: rubes wouldn't normally wager 7 btc to earn 0.4, but if you hold the keys, it's less of a gamble
nubbins`: nah, although i think it's fairly boilerplate that if there's x to be made by betting y on a late bet, it happens
nubbins`: kakobrekla is gonna be pissed when he realizes that under mp's proposed terms, kako doesn't see a dime of dividend payouts until mp is made whole again
nubbins`: why the fuck would you use such a site?
nubbins`: i can't see bitbet staying around as a going concern if mp doesn't eat crow
shinohai waves at #b-a from his hot air balloon powered by todays logs.
nubbins`: kakobrekla do you think you could make the "PAYOUTS CANCELLED FOREVER" text a bit smaller? it's taking over the whole page
nubbins`: asciilifeform thanks, it's refreshing to learn that at least one other person present is able to obtain information from words that have not been packaged up into a "blog post"
asciilifeform: nubbins`: i think you did a perfectly fine job of putting the argument in the logz.
thestringpuller: it has a $200 expense for phuctor
nubbins`: asciilifeform looks all A-OK to me
nubbins`: yours didn't have a $7,000 private spending spree on the books
nubbins`: wanna give him a month? next bitbet statement should be out by then
nubbins`: pick a timeframe and we'll see
assbot: The Hour Of Reckoning on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Laq9r0 )
asciilifeform: nubbins`: i'ma wait for mircea_popescu to wake up and admit he was conducting a drill.