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mircea_popescu: think about it. can
i be assured ? maybe the person saves it in plaintext and loses the laptop
mircea_popescu: but
i do not wish to be assured this ; moreover this "assurance" you provide is false, in substantially the same manner your idea of "infosec" misses security.
mircea_popescu:
i don't want any integrity outside of what my wot provides.
mircea_popescu: because why would
i gift upon a would-be atacker that;s really a lame ass kid unable to on hios own merit secure the cost of a proper burial
mircea_popescu: consider what happened in gossipd when
i said the line above : "<mircea_popescu> you don't know who he has in his contacts.". buncha nodes that
i know went "we heard mp say so" to their downlist
maqp: Okay, so basically
I tell my peer that this message should at some point reach my contact
maqp: Why couldn't this work on OTR.
I have a OTR messaging with my friend and
I ask them to relay a message for me to someone peer has on their contacts?
mircea_popescu:
i wish to say "Hi" to you. my peers are X, Y and Z.
i encrypt "please say Hi for me to maqp" with X, Y, Z pubkeys.
maqp: But
I fail to see the rat in the sewer, when you're giving the government a finger by bouncing traffic across the globe
mircea_popescu: what's this game of everythingsies,
i wanna be tanned but also untanned and sit in the sun and the moon at the same time bla bla.
maqp:
I think we need both
maqp: The article steers away from infosec discourse faster than CRC32 collision.
I skipped to the end--
maqp:
I see nothing being discussed about forward secrecy or deniability
hanbot: kakobrekla vspace isn't too horrid, aside from the voice stuff...which
i guess makes it an unfortunate choice. at least it's not a heh.
maqp:
I'd prefer secure by design approach any time
maqp:
I'll have to read the article. Tor sucks slides indicate it puts up a fight even against FVEY agencies
maqp:
I completely agree with ioerror on that "pidgin is a flock of zero-days flying in formation"
maqp: mircea_popescu:
I looked at the backlog someone linked me and
I wanted to address one thing about TFC using it
shinohai: Programs in Java but
I won't hold it against him.
mircea_popescu:
i'm not exactly in the business of pushing people to do things.
mircea_popescu: uh
i dun see it. guy was gonna do some things, then got sick, then came back, then never did the things.
i dunno, lost interest or w/e.
ben_vulpes: heh anyways
i just cracked xotika, picked a random feed and whaddaya know the last frame of the bloomberg video that autoplayed itself is superimposed on this poor girl's face
mircea_popescu: guruvan> seems like people round here need bigger heads <<<
i thought "the consensus" was b-a heads already too big
gribble: napedia was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 51 weeks, 6 days, 16 hours, 49 minutes, and 12 seconds ago: <napedia>
I don't write for SNI. My opinion is that
I'd like to see SNI sort it out with economic reasoning and good articles. Pierre's arguments are most persusasive.
maqp: ben_vulpes:
I think you're confusing patriotism with nationalism
maqp: Additive keystreams have very low risk after all and
I didn't have to trust single external crypto library
maqp: Snowden hinted something about using cascading at Harvard Privacy Synopsium when he was talking with Schneier. Schneier disagreed but it left me wondering whether Snowden's tongue slipped. Cascading was agreed as a good practice in the Schneier's Friday squid blog so
I had a go
punkman: "because why trust on a single cryptographic primitive" << because it's nice if the whole thing fits-in-head, and even if you cascade there is still the possibility of meet-me-in-the-middle attacks or
I dunno what else
ben_vulpes: anyways,
i now return you to your regularly scheduled programming
assbot: Logged on 07-02-2016 16:56:01; ascii_rear: ben_vulpes: good 'v' summary - but
i'm still waiting for somebody to crap out a treatise re: the philosophical 'why' of it
punkman:
I think pronounceable words beat baseX
maqp: indeed.
I'll look into that <:
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes generally
i'm thinking, to make it in people gotta put you in ; but once you're in, yoiu're in, and baring disaster you stay in.
maqp:
I wonder if there's a library for that
maqp: mircea_popescu: indeed.
I just figured the few extra chars were't that important, and that typing upper/lower case might make it slower.
I'll have to look into that
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for maqp with note:
I showed him the log, and he joined!
I'm on a roll.
mircea_popescu: otherwise what, wipe mike_c because he had a kid ? nonsense
i say!
ben_vulpes:
i don't intend this as an attack on mthreat, trying only to tease out the logic.
mircea_popescu: my thinking, vague as
i admit it may be, is that if the guy's service is running, the guy is ok.
ben_vulpes:
i also don't quite know what mthreat's doing in there beyond running search and being a known usg antagonist.
maqp: punkman: It's a classical one-time MAC with excess key expenditure. Not a good idea
I admit
ben_vulpes:
i propose excising artifexd from the lordship, and
i further propose adding phf to it
maqp:
I tried it earlier, but the classic Diffie-Hellman had much less security and a lot longer public key
gribble: artifexd was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 41 weeks, 3 days, 22 hours, 19 minutes, and 18 seconds ago: <artifexd>
I'm comfortable calling it a review. Not just of what it is but what it was and how it got to where it is.
gribble: dignork was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 days, 5 hours, 22 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: <dignork> PeterL:
I'm lurking
ben_vulpes: nigga you think
i keep shit in my head that computers remember for me?
ben_vulpes:
i dunno
i'm not diffing your html with my face
ben_vulpes: right, and given the extremely long lead time for review around here
i want to kick the conversation off now
ben_vulpes: you proposed changes, but
i'm not seeing those changes cemented anywhere.
mircea_popescu: phf aha something like that.
i suppose that's really it, move alt to shift or caps or something. tho really caps lock is kinda too high, crosses the fingers.
phf: actually
i think original tom knight keyboard puts control and meta under pinky by spacing things out
mircea_popescu:
i keep the pinky on ctrl. which is why making it further in would be inconvenient for me.
phf: it sort of relies on the idea that control is easier to chord with. all the control combos are basic text manipulation stuff, so when
i'm emacsing
i chord with the thumb opposite of key,
i.e. c-a is left pinky a, right thumb control
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's a 1 BTC with your name on it here. if you post an address in this session you got it. if you disconnect before you registered a sig with assbot, you won't be able to get it cuz
i won't know it's you.
mircea_popescu: maqp
i suppose you could look into TRB. get yourself V and make your own secure node.
maqp:
i.e.
I'll have to look into secure deployment when generating one.
maqp: Maybe. Provided that there are no obligations to where my project should be heading towards.
I could use a cup of coffee, but it'll take some time to learn how to secure the account and endpoint
phf: ascii_rear:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-02-2016#1399083 <<
i've remapped it to cntrl for decade+, like other sane folk << you know that's a filthy unixism and is going to overwork your already qwerty abused left hand even further? lispm puts control on both sides of spacebar, followed by alt/meta, follwed by other stuff..
☝︎ maqp: yeah, sure.
I haven't had the need for it. At least yet.
maqp:
I see. The problem with GPG however is the lack of deniability.
I'd rather keep things off the record <:
mircea_popescu: one case is ratings, which is how that wot is made.
i go !rate x y
maqp: Well, since this is a public chat room with no secrecy/authenticity,
I don't really see the need at the moment
maqp:
I haven't had the time to update the two other versions
maqp: thanks.
I wanted to recommend you guys take a look at the TFC-NaCl that's fresh out of oven and has better design compared to OTP/CEV versions
mircea_popescu: tomes could be written on the particulars of an overcompensating inferiority complex that seeks to remedy internal tension through far reaching "reforms" of the outer world.
i'm too lazy. tomes could similarly be written about tardspedia, but
i've done all of that
i could be bothered to. so let's forget they both ever existed and move on.
mats:
i wonder what it cost to spin up the 20% diff increase
punkman: dark city was fun,
I think
I actually saw it in a cinema
punkman: well
I couldn't really give you a good definition of "film-noir", but there's a cynical private-dick type guy, searching for a girl that disappeared mysteriously
phf: can't, all the books are in storage, so
i have to talk out of my ass
punkman: relevant quote in something
I was just reading: "History is not the study of origins; rather it is the analysis of all the mediations by which the past was turned into our present."
assbot: Logged on 07-02-2016 14:12:45; mircea_popescu: or at least, no obvious "gtfo flags"
i immediately notice.
mircea_popescu: ascii_rear> most civilians
i've introduced to vtronics had problems with, initially, this << the problem here is that the only reason why is not obvious is because of issues in the reader's head, and a general treatise to address all possible personal issues can not really be made.
ascii_rear: most civilians
i've introduced to vtronics had problems with, initially, this
ascii_rear: ben_vulpes: good 'v' summary - but
i'm still waiting for somebody to crap out a treatise re: the philosophical 'why' of it
☟︎ phf: ben_vulpes: oh
i remember dan weinreb died couple of years ago, of cancer actually.
hdbuck: hum so any chance you’d let me know if
I would still be leaking IP now?
phf: ben_vulpes: man is anyone from X3J13 still alive at this point? << probably better question, who has died, because the majority of the people form the committee are still alive.
http://quimby.gnus.org/circus/cl/dpANS3/chap-0-edit-history.tex has an almost complete list of 104 ("These are attendees from minutes back through 3/88"), of those
i recognize about 40, of those ~~10
i've been in touch with in the past year and another ~~10 are
mircea_popescu: "
I'll leave the bombast and politics to those typically responsible for such." << ha!
mircea_popescu: "Stan's program makes excellent and judicious use of global state, but
I am nowhere near disciplined enough to do the same to good effect" << a simple trick [expert programmers hate] to achieve this is you know you can map state on paper for a while until it's learned.
phf: as far as what it does
i hope formatting in the paste above makes it more readable. for each line that starts with --- or +++ awk extract the filename and runs shasum on the file, then prints the new diff line with shasum included. for other files it just outputs whatever's there. so it's a filter that transforms mentions of diff'ed files into diffed files + checksum