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mircea_popescu: o no. i'm not going to arbiter on code matters.
assbot: Logged on 21-02-2016 16:27:59; asciilifeform: it is an example of everything i stand against.
mircea_popescu: i shall now proceed to read the scrollback!
phf: once i bootstrap entire cl you mean? (define-macro (destructuring-bind ...
asciilifeform: this is where i repeat mircea_popescu's admonition not to eat from dumpsters.
asciilifeform: i thought you built it ?
ben_vulpes: to be frank, i have no idea how this gentoo image was even built in the first place.
mod6: yaaa, i recall this
ben_vulpes: i figured this for more of a "half bottle of wine in a girl's butt" report. entertainment, not science.
mod6: glad i checked or they would have been in there 2x.
phf: ben_vulpes: i'm building it from inside Clion, so i'm not sure how easy it is to do cmake otherwise, i can share the diff though
ben_vulpes: i didn't even check.
asciilifeform: phf: i have long wanted to get this working, so i can haz call graph
phf: i have it running in a frowned upon state. cmake, llvm, clang
mod6: so once we're happy with this build-script, etc. we cna update that wiki, then we're back in sync. then I can take some time to get the makefiles stuff all organized.
mod6: 9 connections, there soemthing i don't see everyday.
asciilifeform: phf: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-02-2016#1412300 << as stated in the comments, i regard this as a serious loose end that must be tied before anyone can even contemplate using a shivatronic trb in the battlefield ☝︎
mod6: ah, ok good deal shinohai. I updated the script so that it doens't even pull that .sign file. we'll just rely on the sha512 that I hvae, alf has, and ben has.
shinohai: btw mod6 I have reproduced it again just fine this morning Deb 8 and Ubuntu 14.04
jurov: *i should avoid
jurov: as i said, don't mind. it's my problem, i should not avoid dubious USE flags
mod6: maybe i should rewrite V in C
mod6: but i thought you said that `ls` and `pwd` didn't work, like in your shell. that shouldn't have anything to do with perl.
asciilifeform: i have nfi
mod6: lemme see if i get this. perl with thread support broke your entire gentoo?
jurov: mod6 well, on another box i updates glibc to same version and perl works fine
mod6: jurov: fwiw, i do a huge % of testing on a gentoo env with perl 5.20...
phf: (i.e. no reason to corrupt db in the process)
phf: oh i agree, it should kill, just not without prejudice
jurov: asciilifeform: how do i list patches that went into glibc-2.22-r2 ?
jurov: i updated glibc with the patch
jurov: why do i keep getting such obscure stuff... ☟︎
jurov: with my `cwd` problem yest, looks like i have ran into http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=304587 :(
mod6: take a look, i've removed 3 lines: 1. in the comment section where it lists PK's key fingerprint at the top 2. the curl that pulls the sign file for buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz.sign 3. the gpg command that verifies buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz.sign
mod6: i've updated the script here: http://www.mod6.net/btcf/build-bitcoind-V99995.sh
mod6: asciilifeform: not as far as i've seen.
asciilifeform: i.e. different sha512 but same sha1/md5 ?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform produced legacy hashes, they match the ones i have on disk and the ones you have right?
mod6: i can do that.
mod6: yeah, here's what i've got in total: http://dpaste.com/35XDBSS.txt
asciilifeform: i have, i think, also earlier buildroots
asciilifeform: mod6: tell me which tarballs, i will dig out my originals and sum
phf: yeah, korean places are not bad, but i know only of one that caters specifically to koreans (i.e. good heat), a lot of them are western oriented so massage and facials and such
phf: i hnfi. these people do "spas", but the sauna part is typically a joke
mod6: ben_vulpes: yeah, i dunno what the deal is with it, seems to not work exactly as expected.
ben_vulpes: mod6: while there's no harm in checking the .sign, i don't know what it buys us
phf: as soon as i can move again, i'm going to make it to russian&turkish baths in nyc. they don't really do saunas on the east coast, but that baths place is awesome ☟︎
kakobrekla: meanwhile i was the only person in sauna yesterday evening
phf: kakobrekla: i went camping in the Appalachian last weekend, -20c w/ winds, but it was awesome. i did just enough trash talking about russian blood to come down with a flu by thursday...
mod6: anyway, i guess i don't mind, i can add a part where we check the SHA1 & MD5 of the buildroot artifact and then continue to verify that .sign file.
mod6: i think this was actually discussed quite some time ago. i dont remember what the sentiment was exactly. but i think it was like "meh"
kakobrekla: looks like i returned prematurely
mod6: i guess, the other good news to that is you wont need to import that rando's guy's key into your keyring. still would need mine, alf & trinque's tho.
mod6: so with that build script, i'm thinking just take out the curl & --verify of that stupid .sign file.
asciilifeform: gotta do a few things to the mains wiring, i (and zoolag) will be down for 30 min. to an hour.
asciilifeform: jurov: i've been using reiserfs for ~decade.
asciilifeform: and much as i loathe the idea, we will probably have to nail down our own linux distro.
jurov: lol looky now i'm the one to predict crapocalypse
asciilifeform: though i have it
asciilifeform: i did not include the tcp module for ts either
asciilifeform: phf: this was on my list of things to include, but i wanted to 'take it slow.'
phf: i recall riastradh making an srfi proposal for a minimum subset of filesystem operations. could just implement it for tinyscheme
asciilifeform: 'i deleted this first before reading, faster!1111'
jurov: i smell you'll eventually end with different presses in diff machines due to different filesystem semantics
asciilifeform: there is exceed-bound-and-i-negrate
asciilifeform: i demand X, even values of X i don't yet know about.
asciilifeform: and i'm not very interested in 'can do all but X' widgets.
asciilifeform: jurov: i've looked into everything.
asciilifeform: but i can't promise this, and can't be bothered to test, for reasons already described.
polarbeard: yes, I'm not surprised that you have a different point of view, and I'm even pleased I think
polarbeard: I agree with you on that
polarbeard: never, I'm not translating trb to scheme
asciilifeform: and i hope this is good feedback.
asciilifeform: but doings in cpp what can be done inside tinyscheme, i will not.
polarbeard: atm I just wanted to dump what I'm working for, to get constructive feedback
asciilifeform: these i will happily read, and sign.
polarbeard: I'll split the bug fixes into their own vpatches when the time comes
polarbeard: I won't be adding unnecessary code to init.scm
asciilifeform: for one thing, i won't be implementing list reversal in cpp !
asciilifeform: i did give example.
asciilifeform: it is an example of everything i stand against. ☟︎
asciilifeform: i do
polarbeard: I'm just encapsulating the functionality
polarbeard: that's what I do
asciilifeform: shiva.cpp as i originally wrote it, includes all of the trb headers. you can form scheme data structures handily without engaging in weird cppisms, just by iterating over, e.g., the node list, and forming scheme list while you do it.
polarbeard: because I'm marshalling per value type, not per hook type
polarbeard: re: my patches, I'm trying to keep an up to date version of them on my github trb repo, wouldn't mind submitting to the ml if somebody asks
polarbeard: so I've been playing a bit with shiva, I'm developing a simple hook mechanism, here's a preview https://gist.github.com/polarbeard/f5c5b02a2ce7c1a69c77
asciilifeform: i suppose if mircea_popescu tells me that it is standard, i will believe.
shinohai: https://i.imgur.com/1ZafV6N.jpg
asciilifeform: (chicken was what i nowadays call a 'pedigree bridge')
asciilifeform: the adult version as i envision it is much more like what is described above.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i can see it.
mircea_popescu: why'd i guess like when talking to 16yos on saturday night ?
mircea_popescu: i for instance judged that since you DON'T say the obvious, you specifically do not mean the obvious.
mircea_popescu: i just don't see the gap between "cleanly covers corner cases" and "is turing complete" bridged.
asciilifeform: it is why i settled on straight gnudiff instead of trying 'clever' things
assbot: Logged on 21-02-2016 06:02:08; punkman: asciilifeform: (you will have to rename the dir manually, because DIFF IS RETARDED) << I'll do a punkdiff release this week
mats: i don't see why there would be a handicap now
punkman: asciilifeform: (you will have to rename the dir manually, because DIFF IS RETARDED) << I'll do a punkdiff release this week ☟︎