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asciilifeform: then i take it back, and mircea_popescu has it
mircea_popescu: i dunno that the question was ever settled, or seriously considered. but it'd be expected prb begins with the famous "you are like power rtangers" nonsense, during the original hearn-induced fork.
asciilifeform: (am i terminologically addled, or do i misunderstand what is prb)
mircea_popescu: i guess it's your priviledge to do so.
asciilifeform: as far as i can tell, they are running very lightly-modified old prb.
asciilifeform: all i can say is that i have nfi. but i have no evidence that anyone other than mircea_popescu and trb folks did any serious re-engineering re: the client.
asciilifeform: for all i know they were running prb with ~one line~ patched.
asciilifeform: so far the only 'alt-trb' for which i have any evidence whatsoever of its existence is mircea_popescu's thing
mircea_popescu: "all american women are blonde because that's what i see on tv anchors"
mircea_popescu: this is like saying "all americans are poor, everyone i see in grand central station is wearing shitty cloth shoes and a cheap tshirt"
asciilifeform: (as far as i can tell)
asciilifeform: not the only relation. i once knew two dudes who discovered that they were sharing a toothbrush for most of a year.
trinque: I can see the counterpoint.
mircea_popescu: i'm not buying into the collectivist mindset. there is no "the network at large", "the country", blabla, evnetually for some niggled in special garb to rule over.
mircea_popescu: if i go to moscow all i see is individual blokes, who is THE RUSSIANS guy ?
mircea_popescu: what is "russians" ? where do i meet them ?
phf: you get disk thrash or network thrash or both. that graph i posted some time ago shows that nuking orphanage kills disk thrash, but increases network thrash. our step one has so far been removal of disk thrash, i.e. nuke orphanage, nuke mempool. step 2 presumably is nuking network thrash by relying more on trusted peers. that still doesn't solve the problem of talking to net at large
asciilifeform: i recommend enumming for the record
mircea_popescu: do i need to enum. the case or are you up to date ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: the contest, i can speak only for myself, but i've had enough. wake me up when you've also had enough.
mircea_popescu: i might as well hold painting contests for a jar of fruit flies.
asciilifeform: can i block port P on loopback ?
mircea_popescu: i guess this bettor lives in palo alto.
mircea_popescu: -A INPUT -i lo
asciilifeform: hm i guess iptables does nothing to loopback (local connections within same machine)
assbot: Logged on 24-02-2016 14:06:06; jurov: however, i have no problem to cut hole in the firewall directly to the server for wot members if asked
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414291 << and i have no problem listing a bunch of them ☝︎
trinque: I can see it
asciilifeform: when i think of the word 'totalitarian', i think of that place.
trinque: federal courthouse I think, with a platform atop for human sacrifice, I can only assume
asciilifeform: but i can hardly picture a more depressing place than dc
asciilifeform: i met a man yesterday who now lives there, and hates it, 'rains all the time, like this' (points outside at swamp)
asciilifeform: i can sit here and laugh, but it remains, buterin is rich, while i am poor.
asciilifeform: jurov: i have nfi, but it is insulting to sit on a medieval stake while others sizzle in spiffy modern electric chairs.
asciilifeform: i demand a MODERN nsa tap !1111 on my line!
asciilifeform: i suppose they had to take an hour off to change the nsa tap.
asciilifeform: so i wanted to link to mircea_popescu's article about dns, and the hypothetical demented gf who punctures the water pipes ☟︎
jurov: i doubt it is possible to run service like archive.is on trb debt, i tried to imagine it.. needs both bandwidth and ongoing maintenance (cuz gotta keep up with webdev shit)
jurov: however, i have no problem to cut hole in the firewall directly to the server for wot members if asked ☟︎
asciilifeform: one of the many reasons i see it as a noble game.
asciilifeform: (i often wonder if his loss helped to drive him into the nato meatpuppetry for which he is now famous in ru world)
asciilifeform: i, for instance, was an incurable disappointment to my parents ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i can't think of a time this was the case, in either the old country or the america.
asciilifeform: i take off my hat to anyone who can muzzle a rothchild .
asciilifeform: i always saw the mob as a very positive, higherpurpose thing, in the strict sense of keeping lizards out of a small but strong bubble of sovereignty
asciilifeform: i can see it.
asciilifeform: what am i then, l0l
mircea_popescu: nevertheless. i need unextensible symbol set for very good reason : you can't have static compilation without it.
asciilifeform: but i saw none that day
mircea_popescu: and i don't think you're that smart, either.
mircea_popescu: i'd prefer it be a word, but can live with dword. i CAN NOT live with "extensible symbol space".
mircea_popescu: all i care about is that there's a specified maximum DEFINITIVE count of symbols,
asciilifeform: again, where do i find matrix bracket in the 255
asciilifeform: hence why i bring it up now.
asciilifeform: i dreamed of confining the perpetrators somehow and depriving'em of all squigglies and arrows
mircea_popescu: i'm like lead. every fancy radioactive compound eventually decays into me.
asciilifeform: perhaps unrelatedly, yesterday i saw such egregious notational abuse (at big maths conference) that i felt my mircea_popescu fangs emerging, and wolf ears
asciilifeform: i would also suggest that L folks be able to download compressed shitball of backup.
mircea_popescu: i did.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414068 << i did warn! that the thing is a point of failure ☝︎
mircea_popescu: i think 1 year may be too long. maybe go by 3 months sorta thing
mircea_popescu: punkman well, the cool part depending for whom doing what. i have no objection, all that sugar&spice is nice to have, but i don't think it mandatory, myself. the main utility is creating a copy of a resource (as in url) that is outside of the control of its original author. i'm more than happy if that is provided in the first place and the rest of the swag on a best-effort basis.
punkman: "mircea_popescu: however a lot of leeway is available re shitty sites. i honestly couldn't care less what "functionality" is lost through js being discarded out of hand, for instance. << archive.is (as a browsing tool) seems useless without javascript, might as well render the page in lynx/dilla/modern browser with js disabled.
danielpbarron: ;;later tell trinque please to add this feed ^^ I think it only works for you
danielpbarron: >> I told him that a child in Africa dies every 3 seconds. He was surprised at that. He said "I know black people have rhythm, but that is some amazing timing, you guys should try out for X-Factor".
mod6: I think they used to teach this SICP directly as the first programming class at UofM - used it as a weed-out course.
asciilifeform: i have this edition here, even.
asciilifeform: but i suspect that the story is not meaningfully different from how drepper stole libc
asciilifeform: one day i would like to learn how esr stole 'hacker's dictionary'
mod6: She asked me if "snarffed" was a technical term, now I can point at this:
BingoBoingo: One last bullying before I bully Zygna http://www.humansofstraya.com/tagged/Angela-Flack
mircea_popescu: also, what do i care of the living. will go to the great prison in the sky, all the people there'll be impressed enough. "bigger than france ?! pasol nahui!"
mircea_popescu: hey, i'm a modest man.
mod6: im actually glad for that. and personally, I don't even want to look at any other lisp really because other lisps seem to have a bunch more built-in functions that we'll basically not use.
phf: mod6: i have an OP for symbol-value, on top of which you can build a pretty decent "apropos"
asciilifeform: and i picked this kind of scheme deliberately.
mod6: alright. i was thinking with using scheme (like I was saying lastnight), we'll have to build some pretty extensive libs of procs of our own. which is probably better anyway... but, it'd be cool if this thing would tell you what you've already defined.
phf: mod6: no, i think it's a side effect of the way oblist is constructed
mod6: so in "foo.scm" i have defined a "square" procedure, but in (oblist), among everything else, its listed as: (square char-ci>=? cddddr expt)
mod6: i didn't know that's what you called those works of art.
mod6: i learn so many good words here.
mod6: i'll have to go back and re-read some of our previous threads on the topics.
asciilifeform: (ideally, running on top of a raid card with battery packs, like i have here)
mod6: mircea_popescu: awesome. yeah, i agree we should do something there. that's super annoying that it happened to these guys.
phf: i'm not at all hating, it's more of a "a plague on both your houses" reaction
mod6: i'll test that out tomorrow when i get a sec.
mircea_popescu: i mean, leaving aside the inanity of posing with one's mother, this may be the most insane thing ever.
BingoBoingo: Nah, I'm bullying the FBI log readers
mircea_popescu: i think BingoBoingo might be bullying us.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i read 4 words of this and barfed.
mircea_popescu: well i suppose technically all russians are the same dude, but even so.
mircea_popescu: i lost interest once it went "Vagina" instead of "cunt"
BingoBoingo: https://i.sli.mg/IxnAsr.png
mircea_popescu: strategically i'd rather have it a set of interoperating parts than a single monster monolith.
mircea_popescu: phf it ~would~ be a pretty decent showcase of lisp, i'll readily grant that.
BingoBoingo: https://i.sli.mg/V8WMer.jpg
mircea_popescu: however a lot of leeway is available re shitty sites. i honestly couldn't care less what "functionality" is lost through js being discarded out of hand, for instance.
phf: i think ben_vulpes has been working on his own take on the service? i remember there was some noise last time question came up. anyone attempting will fast realize that it's a pita.
mircea_popescu: now i gotta fish out the guy's email and perhaps see if he'd be willing to share ?
mircea_popescu: in other news, either the code vanished or i;m just delusional, but can't seem to locate it