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nubbins`: trinque indeed, i own a majority of shares
trinque: nubbins`: you own a business and decide what it does, yes?
jurov: davout id did misresolve a bet
davout: asciilifeform: i think the matter becomes mucho clearer if you ask yourself "did bbet pay twice or did bbet pay once with mp coming along later for a gracious donation to the same recipients"
asciilifeform: trinque: it is called a forum.
trinque: all of it smacks of us being a part of some aggregate whose opinion matters in the private dealings of those present.
nubbins`: no, i have a terrible memory, it borders on pathology
trinque: lets make a congress to pass some laws so this never happens again
trinque: and if that causes a dispute among the board of said company, well, here we are.
trinque: if an owner of a business decides that address Y is now the payout address for something instead of X, fuck you, it is.
trinque: this conversation is well downstream from the much more important question of *whose decision it about what a business they own does*
davout: jurov: X is a slippery slope isn't a valid argument for anything
nubbins`: seems like a major lost opportunity.
kakobrekla: asciilifeform yes, after the last fuck up i have added a way to specify the resulting tx when bet is resolved and payment is done so we wouldnt be doing two payments for one bet any more (because this obviously doesnt work!!)
nubbins`: you don't get to claim a third party handing me cash as your own payment.
asciilifeform: jurov: this is a leap into neverneverland. but operating using the ORIGINAL premise of bbet, where coin is owed to ADDRESS, is not.
nubbins`: this is obivously not a place where reason and logic have any place
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you can safely skip the preceding thread, it is a nubsism
asciilifeform: and i have yet to read of a bbet user who wrote in, 'fuck you! i got my 22.222 btc but i can't be sure from whom and for what! pay up!'
asciilifeform: note that i am not arguing that this is a moral obligation ☟︎
asciilifeform: PeterL: so you know EXACTLY how to put coin in bbet pocket, it was never a secret.
asciilifeform: i forget it on a park bench. he finds it.
asciilifeform: and i have a vorpal sword, worth 150
asciilifeform: you can't be a 'people' when you feel like it, and then a 'mechanism' when it suits you.
asciilifeform: whereas if we paint them as 'people,' they then had a ~choice~ re: what to do with the coin.
kakobrekla: anyway, care to poke a hole in the rm -rf case?
asciilifeform: they betted by transmitting a tx.
ben_vulpes: moreover how does one know that any commenter on bitbet is a bettor? are they 'signing' things with the appropriate privkeys now?
assbot: BitBet (S.BBET) March 2015 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1S6Da1s )
assbot: BitBet (S.BBET) February 2015 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1S6Dcqa )
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu issued a receipt and all
asciilifeform: and to try to infer or posit people or whatnot 'behind' the keys, is to introduce chess pieces to a card game
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: a broker'd not have to share keys with anyone.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: folks who share privkeys create schizo synthetic monsters, a la gox, and are hostis humani generis.
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2016 14:58:19; asciilifeform: if meatbags were abusing bitcoin by sharing a private key, they earned their hell.
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2016 09:34:25; davout: more generally, it seems an important thing to me that bettor claims should be adjusted by the existence of a a previous double-payout, if any
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well the stop drinking thing was a rather substantive change in the usual. I think reduced the N in my SNR, but I'm not entirely sure.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> in other lulz, i was looking at 'google map' near $rupturefarm, and found a 'metaphysical chapel.' << I'll have you know I took 500 level metaphysical classes in University
asciilifeform: (can i eat while hanging off a chopper skid ??)
asciilifeform: in other lulz, i was looking at 'google map' near $rupturefarm, and found a 'metaphysical chapel.'
asciilifeform: but anyway if it were my job to describe parallel universes, i'd put up a shingle!111
mircea_popescu: i thought the consensus was this reactor should have fired a year ago or w/e.
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2016 12:29:04; asciilifeform: and yes, they had no obligation to send it back, etc. but if they had, there would be no reactor fire, and a still-operating bbet. that isn't about to be auctioned off to spammerz.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2016#1438393 << ftr i'm not too sold on this sort of argument. if only the bullet hadn't hit your beloved franz ... then what ? wouldn't have been a war ? he wouldn't have been a man, or a soldier ? ☝︎
mircea_popescu: you got a namecheap acct it can be pushed to ?
mircea_popescu: cup a cunt in the left, pick some ~actual numbers~ in the right, watch your eyebrows spin.
mircea_popescu: we got the women for heat, makes a fine engine.
davout: btw, is mircea_popescu in a position to transfer the bitbet.us domain?
mircea_popescu: bum jumps up, throws the thing to the ground, stomps it into a flat sheet
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asciilifeform: i however see the notion of not fucking-with-a-hammer those malodorous thieving swine who silently kept the windfall and LEANED ON THE GROUP, as ultimately very expensive.
mircea_popescu: you're getting fucked with a hammer
mircea_popescu: you pistolaccident 60 bitcents to 1fuckinghammer, show up at lemonade stand "i would like a lemonade"
mircea_popescu: mp is out of money and now running a lemonade stand. you take a menu one day strolling by, and on this menu it says : lemonade, 10 bitcents, address 1lemonade ; fucking with a hammer, 12 bitcents, adress 1fuckinghammer.
asciilifeform: tomorrow i trip over a cable, fall on a button, accidentally fire pistol, the bullet hits another button, sends him 90 btc. ☟︎
asciilifeform: let's do a gedankenexperiment
asciilifeform: and i'm not even sure we have a cataclysm here
asciilifeform: closing at the cost of tearing a new (qm / gr) gash
mircea_popescu: that wasn't a wound, it was on the contrary, the closing of a gap
asciilifeform: when there is a fella with a scalpel, you ~already~ made a small visa.
mircea_popescu: if you're going to drop the bitcoin scalar in favour of a bitcoin-justice vector, there is really no fucking point to even bother, just visa.
asciilifeform: when there is a colour - there is one.
asciilifeform: why should i live in a fictional universe of oughts.
asciilifeform: and if there is a colour, i point to it.
mircea_popescu: remarkably, i had found this in the states, you know, people from the generation that "anti american activities", ie, still had a fighting bone in their body, WOULD engage in this patently insane behaviour.
asciilifeform: and every living thing is in its heart, on a bad day, 'communist'
mircea_popescu: is the man who doesn't drive across town to buy milk a dime a gallon cheaper a communist ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform would you say a man is a communist who goes to the casino every weekend and plays either blackjack or roulette as he feels like it that day, because really, the house edge is not the same ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform again - attempting to interpose yourself between the perceptibles and sophia is a very expensive and ultimately self destructive desire.
asciilifeform: take a stand. it is one of the things i always appreciated about mircea_popescu !11
asciilifeform: i suppose i am then a soldier.
mircea_popescu: a flattering view, in its innocent purity, but not how practice ever works that i've seen
mircea_popescu: that's being a soldier.
asciilifeform: being a lord, as i see it, is not about balancing pencils on their points, but pushing the pencil in your CHOSEN direction and ~standing by~ the decision for the rest of your life.
mircea_popescu: so how are you going to be a lord ?
asciilifeform: this is not a question having a useful answer though.
mircea_popescu: not a question without merit.
asciilifeform: if we seal ourselves in a cave and take turns eating own limbs, THEN - yes.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i do not rightfully have a firm enough grip on harem to answer.
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asciilifeform: (the latter, a mythical animal)
asciilifeform: they already will get a ??? --> something paid according to some rules they can't know
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2016 14:06:24; mircea_popescu: anyway, take it from a software design perspective. you are proposing to change the stateless parser (bet accepted) -> (bet resolved) -> (bet paid out) into a stateful and undefined (bet accepted) -> (bet resolved) -> (???) -> (some thing paid according to some rules you can't know)
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2016#1438527 << i can see this. but we got there already, are already inserted on that stake, regardless of what happens, because the bettors ~will~ get a haircut ☝︎
asciilifeform: if meatbags were abusing bitcoin by sharing a private key, they earned their hell. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform see, this is how professional life goes. you are paid well to sit in silence in a room and pick the right thread under a microscope ; i am paid even better to sit in the din of the market and pick the right thread with bare eyes.
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2016 14:01:40; solrodar: if any obligation exists between bitbet and a bettor, the bettor is identified by his key and nothing more
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2016 13:56:37; mircea_popescu: fine, if you absolutely must : suppose owner made an agreement with a third party that the nth txn goes to x and the nth+1 goes to y. are they now bound to revise their agreements on the basis of how you may wish to liberally reinterpret the protocol ?
asciilifeform: i would like to smoke the necessary dope to see mircea_popescu's pov here, where the scum who got paid twice had the temerity to whine about delayed payouts while sitting on their unearned windfall, but then somehow deserve to be paid a THIRD TIME
mircea_popescu: (and if anyone's unfamiliar with the hunchback god, plox to take a break and read up on teh gnosis. it'll be good for you.)
mircea_popescu: will there be judgement day, when all there is is dark, or will there be "communism" aka "christianity" aka a hunchback god tries to create a world just like he's seen in his sane, healthy brother's hands ?
asciilifeform: unless i misarithmetize catastrophically, davout is stuck with giving the bettors a haircut. question is ~which~. will there be 'communism', where they all bleed equally? or 'judgement day', when the scumbags bleed first.
asciilifeform: if you try to sell/share a key.
asciilifeform: you can only create a synthetic monster with split-personality syndrome!
asciilifeform: you can't sell a private key!
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2016#1438489 << SINCE WHEN CAN YOU SELL A PRIVATE KEY ☝︎
mircea_popescu: it's not even a metaphor, it's a straight comparison.
solrodar: you know, a lot of your metaphors are stupid but that one almost reaches the level of a zen koan
mircea_popescu: lol k. what you're doing is roughly equivalent to coming into my house, attempting to give a name to one of my women and then proposing to exchange her for your own of the same name. ty but...
PeterL: more of an "I have no words" than a problem