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mircea_popescu: well, you have a large pile of stuff to explain away then. i'd be curious to read the alt theory kakobrekla
PeterL: I guess you cold test whether you are directly connected to miners or bridged by prb nodes: send a txn which prb does not like, see if it gets included in a block
kakobrekla: hence i dont agree with your interpretation of events (that bbet/you is targeted here - in which case its game over)
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla "that is not a bridge" "please build me a bridge over here so i can see this" "orly"
kakobrekla: i do not accept that answer.
asciilifeform: a good chunk of the 'protocol' as i pictured it, turned out to be... promise.
mircea_popescu: the advantage being, of course, that i have a whole lot of canaries in all sorts of apparently unexpected places. the drawbacks... heh, let's not talk about that, i'll just get angry.
mircea_popescu: you have to understand that the direct correlate of "bitcoin protocol is nowhere" is that i'm stuck sitting here wasting tons of resources and various people's time doing an endless array of stupid or plain weird shit to see what happens to try and understand what's what. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: from experience, the stuff the chinese miners run would, at least most of the time. historically i thought this is just random variance between divergent implementations, but now i think it's a single unit behaviour modulated somehow. also, this is essentially what "Replace by fee" is all about, iirc.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: granted, i have nfi what the heathens run.
kakobrekla: i said the same.
PeterL: while I am saying the iners are just going to keep the older txn, regardless of fee
PeterL: ok, I buy some egold from bob, send him 1 btc. He sees the 0conf txn, transferes the egold to me, then I doublespend the inputs with a higher fee, sucks to be him
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla hey, "spam protection", i didn't write it.
mircea_popescu: i didn'taskl anything of anyone. i listen to a large cross-section of the bitcoin relay network.
mircea_popescu: that happens to be, involuntarily i guess, and impredictably for the attackingside, i guess, a passive timing of their capabilities.
PeterL: I still dun see why you jump to the conclusion of miner holding blocks, maybe they rebroadcast the transaction as they moved it from "0fee waiting line" to "now including these txen" when they had held it long enough for the wait time to increase its priority?
assbot: Logged on 02-03-2016 15:54:27; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i do not believe in singlehandedness.
asciilifeform: and the remainder was sourced, i think, from something mircea_popescutronic, as almost all of my coin in fact is.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform was it sourced from bitbet payouts ? i recall pete_dushenski saying the same happened to him, originally blamed it on multibit.
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 23:32:18; mircea_popescu: i personally think the only reason it's not mined yet is that there hasn't been a block.
asciilifeform: i think i did.
asciilifeform: did i mention that ~same thing happened to my humble 5btc ?
mircea_popescu: i am saying that i spent OVER A WEEK making transactions from those inputs.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i do not believe in singlehandedness. ☟︎
kakobrekla: or should i say rather 'doublepay'
PeterL: I am not thoroughly convinced
PeterL: I mean, uh, hypothetically, if I was one of the bettors ... uh.. nevermind
PeterL: I guess I can't complain too much about this bitbet blunder, the "extra winnings" I got from the bet was higher than my proportion of the loss as a bitbet shareholder (unless this tanks the share price too)
PeterL: I think you are just being paranoid
mircea_popescu: no, i don't expect such nonsense.
mircea_popescu: and the most ... snore, i suppose, aspect of this is that other than the few dedicated philiphinos caught without talking points, the general redditard population is amply incapable of even understanding what was said. at all.
hanbot: hey mircea_popescu, is it okay if i defer this month's pc4 report and combine in april? ☟︎
ben_vulpes: i have had two beers and a glass of wine since 5pm and none of that has made me nearly as ill as this line of cpp
asciilifeform: i did warn, re mining.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i have no idea.
assbot: Logged on 02-03-2016 03:20:58; mod6: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2016#1418803 << i usually just modify the rotor script so that it just builds bitcoind with all of the necessary environment vars set, but comment out the building of BDB/SSL/Boost. The re-compile usually takes a few minutes. Not more than say 15.
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-03-2016#1419829 << with phf's patch (are you going to post that to the ML or shall i?), my post-clean compile takes 1m 16s << im not aware of phf's patch. i did recompile with shiva when it was first introduced, didn't add or subtract any compile time as far as I could tell. ☝︎
ben_vulpes: i have no idea if this is fast or slow
ben_vulpes: i have no idea if this is an abnormally long or short time
assbot: Logged on 02-03-2016 03:20:58; mod6: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2016#1418803 << i usually just modify the rotor script so that it just builds bitcoind with all of the necessary environment vars set, but comment out the building of BDB/SSL/Boost. The re-compile usually takes a few minutes. Not more than say 15.
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-03-2016#1419829 << with phf's patch (are you going to post that to the ML or shall i?), my post-clean compile takes 1m 16s ☝︎
asciilifeform: i still use it.
mod6: weird, i thought that was in '12
assbot: Logged on 02-03-2016 00:11:53; kakobrekla: i guess its time to add 'raw hex tx' data for re-broadcasting to bitbet resolved bets
asciilifeform: mod6: i have exactly that script.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It's how the html you submitted parses. Looks legible even if some line spacing is weird. I just assumed you did that for emphasis.
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 08:54:01; ben_vulpes: i am also curious to hear about how long the bitcoind recompile is in your various workflows, asciilifeform, phf, mod6, punkman, jurov
mod6: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2016#1418803 << i usually just modify the rotor script so that it just builds bitcoind with all of the necessary environment vars set, but comment out the building of BDB/SSL/Boost. The re-compile usually takes a few minutes. Not more than say 15. ☝︎☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: the days-old high-S tx was mined ~immediately~ after i broadcast the doublespend low-S.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i had this exact same experience when making the alphago bet. only difference is that malleation was involved.
asciilifeform: whereas when i was doing it as a boy it worked on one 486 box but not another, mostly-identical one.
asciilifeform: i.e. particular length of the bus, and clock.
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-03-2016#1419758 << very much i do ☝︎
jurov: i mean just something like "....total of 8335 words. Total 8335 S.QNTR shares are issued to:"
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jurov: BingoBoingo: In my reports I prefer to have duplicate numbers instead of omitting, so that I'm sure I don't forget something.
BingoBoingo: The scammed dude asked me how to present his dilemma in a way that makes sense that this was the distillation I found most obvious
asciilifeform: (unless mircea_popescu wants to do it himself, which in his place i probably would)
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: understand, i do not need moar projects for anything.
asciilifeform: sooooo i discovered that emacs can be de-dbus-ed on gentoo by zapping gtk3
asciilifeform: i think i get.
asciilifeform: i mean, if declaring war of the worlds, would be good to know why.
mircea_popescu: i suppose we're at the chinese phase of exchanging insults.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2016#1419616 << i have hated them since t=0 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform pretty much. i don't see what else is there. this is the fabled hour of reckoning, best i can tell
kakobrekla: i guess its time to add 'raw hex tx' data for re-broadcasting to bitbet resolved bets ☟︎
mircea_popescu: this is fine and good. however - i nicely structured this specifically to satisfy my own inquisitive mind. i am satisfied.
mircea_popescu: look, i know oodles of people have observed what to them seems "just normal wierdness"
kakobrekla: thats one explanation however taking in account my own experiences with it - i am by your definition insane.
kakobrekla: its not impossible you will make a tx from some inputs, which will be 'forgotten' and say fuck you [i only a slight problem so far as long as the tx hex is published and can be rebroadcast] and then later on use those same inputs for another tx [i have a larger problem with that]
mircea_popescu: yeah, i'm sure they can.
mircea_popescu: i can't comprehend what you're trying to argue here. you're roughly in the position of a prison warden facing an empty cell and a hole in the wall going "hey, water infiltration can sometimes make holes in walls"
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yeah, had it in sidepool for 4 days, waiting to see if i repay it without doublespent. which i did. today. 2 hours ago.
kakobrekla: i could easily get past fee paying txes with large and old inputs without fee months ago. i reckon this still stands.
mircea_popescu: for the record, there are about 50k txn with a higher per-byte offering, and all of those have been in the mempool for ehhh i dunno, a week more than half hour ?
mircea_popescu: i'm so ever impressed.
kakobrekla: is not bad no, i guess the size and age did it just.
mircea_popescu: i personally think the only reason it's not mined yet is that there hasn't been a block. ☟︎
kakobrekla: jurov ends with 'Also, I should' ?
mircea_popescu: well, i'm going to make more, and try to mine them and etc, but yes.
mircea_popescu: i'm sorry. i mean... sorry for your win.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla this is what i was doing for a fucking week.
trinque: adlai has done so himself, I know
jurov: http://therealbitcoin.org/deedbot.org/index.html soo, the mirror is here. of course nothing is so simple, i ran into wget trying to follow urls in .txt (!) files and even trying to fix them(!!!)
mircea_popescu: i dunno, she has such a perfect loser face.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: dulap is not only platform for phuctor, but will host 'g', gossip, etc., and is presently the largest and most reliable trb battleship. and i will pay for it personally, because wtf.
Anduck: fwiw, i tried to pm with trinque but he kept ignoring me from the beginning. my script accidentally used his site too frequently and now he's doing this, annoying me occasionally with sudden "fuck you anduck" hilights etc
asciilifeform: but i say that until the engine is ready, i will pull sled with own back.
mircea_popescu: i dunno, originally it was a pretty good marketing tool.
mircea_popescu: i blame cascading failure in teh bitcoin stack.
mircea_popescu: i think i'm done raging for the day.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: gimme an addr, i'll pay for it myself until it is +ev.
mircea_popescu: anyway. bill's up, i guess im closing down this phuctor server and eating the 2 month bill as cdb ?
asciilifeform: aha, and, incidentally, i got 'volunteered' for 1.5 shift .
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> anyway i specialize in making some selected subset of it actually WORK. << this much is true, yes. but you have a finite number of hands!
asciilifeform: this is - surprisingly - a rare enough thing that i can live from it.
asciilifeform: anyway i specialize in making some selected subset of it actually WORK.
trinque: jurov: gotta go do an errand, but when I'm seated at desk again I'll put some more thought into the section of my nginx config labeled "Fuck you, Anduck"
mircea_popescu: "oh, but does it help ?" "i guess..." "WELL THEN!111"