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asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i dun expect it is possible to get serious damages outta the latech corpse. but if you botch this basic step entirely, i expect uy will become a very hot bath for BingoBoingo .
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I've got a small pile of contact information to churn through. Challenge so far has been carving out concrete time to take conversations further than gathering contacts.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: when init stages of cleanup op done, this oughta be 1st thing to do imho.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: They have been silent, presumably sweating since Friday.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The one affiliated with the accountant has been busy with some sort of other litigation, and cleaning up the other things has slowed the search for alternatives.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: as discussed prev., if latech won't 'amicable' yer gonna need 1 anyway. that, or parachute.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you were gonna get an estimate from the abogato, neh ? re feasibility/times/costs.
BingoBoingo: That and picking a date to get the rest of the stuff out.
BingoBoingo: pushing people, places, and things.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'm thinking I propose we sign some text to end the contract by mutual consent, this leaves open the opportunity to pursue damages for the breaches unless they start negotiating some compensation. At this point though I'm inclined to just get the stitches attaching my scrotum to them cut, but if you really want me to pursue damages I can try that but it will require as MP pointed out... time in to Uruguay to continue
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what's your current war plan re that circus tho ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: not essential, then will put standard asciilifeform-rk kernel , and correct if necessary.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Getting the sd will require re-opening the conversation with the Latecho folks.
asciilifeform: in re 'when' : if coloco folx told the troof re 'key on friday', i expect oughta have this in by mon.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: copy the sd also ( they oughta be standard, but iirc diana_coman may have modded the kernel, and i'd like it carried over guaranteed )
diana_coman: BingoBoingo: thank you!
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform diana_coman: Aite, I'll put it on the list.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: thank you
asciilifeform: aite, let's ask BingoBoingo to dd if=/dev/thatstick | gzip > diana_coman.img.gz and then gpg to asciilifeform . i'ma modify it strictly as required to sit down on new ip and naught else.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: an exact image copy of my piz rk would be great (saving the reinstall of all sorts)
asciilifeform: will guarantee that will cost less than previously, however. they dun need to be flown across whole planet anymoar..
asciilifeform still not calculated what to charge for these, and must do so quickly. i'ma give folx month 'test drive' tho, given the untestedness of the whole orchestra .
asciilifeform: diana_coman: you mentioned rk ; i've prepared an rk for you, using same type of ssd as prev. lemme know if you want a different type. it will be installed as soon as i get keyz to the magick door and have the entrance router configged (it arrives, loox like, on fri. also)
asciilifeform: sounds moar like e.g. usa real estate, than btc.
asciilifeform: pretty great, you buy, and then mebbe later they 'oops, this wasn't legit'.
asciilifeform: 's transfer requests caused ARIN to take a closer look.'
asciilifeform: 'Officially, companies are not allowed to sell their IP addresses but in practice that rule is widely flouted by peddling them through brokers and then putting a transfer through ARIN's systems. ARIN is, of course, aware of the black market in addresses, but decided, after long debate, not to change the fundamental way it distributes and shifts them. It does, however, scrutinize transfers, and in this case an error in one of Golestan
asciilifeform: then again asciilifeform was told 'fee went up very recently', will have to investigate.
asciilifeform: 'Despite their current market value of between $13 and $19 per IP addresses, ARIN continues to provide IP addresses to its "members" for no direct cost, a holdover from the early days of the internet when IP allocation was literally a free-for-all. Depending on the size of a company, you pay ARIN an annual membership fee that starts at just $250. Members then pay between $100 and $500 for an address block with an annual maintenance f
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-16 11:35:35 BingoBoingo: Apparently ARIN on occasion gets pissy about the IPv4 brokers http://qntra.net/2019/05/violence-today-modern-democracy-bringing-misery-to-indonesia-arin-iran-and-bolton-watch/
asciilifeform: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1945928 >> interestingly, linked piece paints a somewhat cheaper picture than earlier thrd :
asciilifeform: ( i.e. similar to what kept the 'swift' organization pretending to neutrality, until recent yrs , as i understand it )
asciilifeform: the 1 thing, i suspect, that keeps the show going, is the reich's desire to prevent e.g. ru, cn, from forming own 'arin' and properly splitting off.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-16 11:23:19 mp_en_viaje: might eventually reverse, all it takes is one senate wank.
asciilifeform: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1945916 << this is approx what asciilifeform expected ( wai would 1 usg committee be magically different from others in this respect )
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: Still have to start producing new qntras, but indeed lives
mp_en_viaje: they're like the eu parliament, kiddy/toy "institution" for no purpose than the having
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, arin's bidniss is to get pissy, in fact
BingoBoingo: Apparently ARIN on occasion gets pissy about the IPv4 brokers http://qntra.net/2019/05/violence-today-modern-democracy-bringing-misery-to-indonesia-arin-iran-and-bolton-watch/
BingoBoingo: I'll probably see what the 12 ouncer I flew in does outa curiosity.
mp_en_viaje: it's like the whole country's on dial-up, howthe fuck could they botch comms so badly these people.
mp_en_viaje: in other horrors, i'm sitting here watching this other box literally cycle through interfaces. NOTHING WORKS. every 3-5 mins, reconnects to somethingelse.
mp_en_viaje: i did say 3-5kg as those are all i ever tried ; but a ladies' 5lb version prolly just as good, w=mv^2 after all
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: ty, making sand with a 5lb hammer sounds like the right thing. Also fun.
mp_en_viaje: anyway, john curran & co whined long and hard about it, and will continue to do so until arin dissolved.
mp_en_viaje: pretty sure i have the whole thing somewhere, could fish it out and upload if you want.
mp_en_viaje: The NSF has never had a cooperative agreement, or any other agreement, with ARIN or any other similarly situated entity. In short, NSF does not believe that ARIN, or for that matter any other organization, could retroactively affect property and rights distributed to you (or any other recipient) by awardee NSI under its Cooperative Agreement with the National Science Foundation.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-16 11:06:29 asciilifeform: (speaking as almost complete ignoramus re subj) : mp_en_viaje do you know how 'well-behaved' is arin ? i.e. do they routinely confiscate ip blox from 'undesirables' the way the dns people do ?
mp_en_viaje: item in question (from NSF General Counsel Lawrence Rudolph ) : NSF transferred a ‘thing of value’ to the awardee under the NSF-NSI Cooperative Agreement, and that awardee in turn gave it to you. …we [NSF] know of no provision under the Cooperative Agreement which would have authorized the awardee (NSI) to unilaterally reclaim IPv4 number blocks, once distributed.
mp_en_viaje: might eventually reverse, all it takes is one senate wank.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1945906 << i don't specifically know ; there's precedent saying old owners actually own the numbers in question which so far has been upheld
asciilifeform: ...fwiw i've never 1nce heard of anyone other than landlord ( either at behest of officious snoops or on own initiative ) pinching a racked box.
asciilifeform: here they even had 'face reader' etc. stage props. i did not find it interesting, considering who it is who actually steals boxes in practice, none of these do a lick of good (or harm, really) afaik.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-16 11:00:42 diana_coman: asciilifeform: supposedly can get to it with own hands, yes (or possibly someone else using severed hand since "key + biometric")
asciilifeform: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1945892 << here btw also 'tea ceremonies' w/ fingerprint doors etc. they dun even need 'severed hand', there's a well-documented process using piece of sausage and gelatin etc. it's a theatrical furniture, these .
asciilifeform: ( cuz if not : where do their auction-block ips come from ? i was told 'ipv4 is full' etc )
asciilifeform: (speaking as almost complete ignoramus re subj) : mp_en_viaje do you know how 'well-behaved' is arin ? i.e. do they routinely confiscate ip blox from 'undesirables' the way the dns people do ?
mp_en_viaje: yeah, there's no rush.
asciilifeform: ( even if i'd dropped immediately that 6k on the table, apparently takes weeks, rather than 'RIGHT NAO' , so will have to start with certain # of plebian leased ips . )
mp_en_viaje: leave your mark in this world. kill some of the boys born the same as year as you. hurt some of the girls. make a dent.
asciilifeform: it's defo worth having. and i'd like to buy a quantity, but 1st to investigate whether even possible w/out selling organs.
mp_en_viaje: hence the 0-1 bitcoin comparison.
mp_en_viaje: the one point i'm making here is that this is worth having if one's serious about their own ontology.
asciilifeform: ate corpse of british telecom co.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: seems to be how 'coloco' acquired their.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, traditional method is people buy the shell of co with reg and naught else.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: supposedly can get to it with own hands, yes (or possibly someone else using severed hand since "key + biometric")
asciilifeform: i'ma have to get the word from horse's mouth tho, and haggle directly.
mp_en_viaje: idea is to buy an "old" thing somehow.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-15 23:14:30 asciilifeform: asciilifeform asked 'what if i want to buy own'. was shown jawdropping lulz where arin wants not only 'get on wait list' but 1000+ / yr in 'organizational maintenance fee' and +150/yr for each contig. block maintained etc.
mp_en_viaje: but i suspect this discussion is a lot like "is bitcoin worth it". if you can get one, in the sense of, yours, you want one. if you already have one not necessarily, but if you already have 0 then yes necessarily.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-16 10:20:58 asciilifeform: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1945816 << in that shop, they dun ~sell~ blocks, but lease by the single ip. what was offered , is to connect with broker who sells. i inquired, min. purchase is /24 from their broker, at 6k usd. imho oughta comparison-shop before shelling out, price seemed astronomical ( am i rube ? always 6k ? )
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1945842 << at some point it was a few bux for lifetime, coming to like maybe 1k for cblock (256 ips nominally in a c block)
asciilifeform: diana_coman: 600gbp for Gb/s and full tower is only 1.5x what 'coloco' asks for same. probably inescapable given the expense of errything brit, and not necessarily bad deal if it's a cage that can get to with own hands. may be worth 2nd look
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: entirely so. and i'ma chronicle the thing properly, get the photo-shy people into the photos if at all possible.
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, just about, actually. i swear to god, this place is something else, wonderful night life, accomodation starvation.
mp_en_viaje: in other news, ima spend the long weekend in budapest, after which ill be in prague all next week, if someone feels like dropping by the hotel's on me.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: usually they do, yes; and willing to eat ddos or so they claim
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: yer right tho. i can always 'un-advertise''em laters, if the thing's a dud.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, good for you. and bear it in mind, you know ? there's nothing you can possibly say you'll regret later. the regrets always from not saying.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: fair cop btw. i amended the article.
asciilifeform: that sounds peculiarly costly. do these at least come with Gb/s ?
diana_coman: fwiw data centres here will rent lockable quarter/half/full racks from ~240, 350, 600 gbp, respectively; the saddest part being anyway the fact that they are still all quite same regimented style otherwise as far as I can see.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: this is why I said invite them to irc rather than directly ask them to register key, lol; but sure, it's your show entirely
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i fully intend to attempt to turn the 2 into 'people' (vs 'horse') but would like to avoid having'em stampede away immediately like your various vendors galloped. ( will just as readily 'ride as horse' if must, the bloody rack is so cheap as 'almost free', i've been paying almost half of that sum for the retarded hoster where my www is currently )
diana_coman: ha; so invite him to come on irc too, in #a or in #o if you prefer, what's the problem
diana_coman: he'll be out of livery so no brand too, plus can talk like normal people, can take picture etc
diana_coman: asciilifeform: why not invite the main contact to meet in town out of office hours, what
asciilifeform: ( they were in branded livery )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'ma ask the crew if they'd like to be personally pictured in the next phototour, also. they had some strange fixation re 'if you sublease space, plz dun use our brand', so left'em out of the pic.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i suppose is what i get for cribbing from people w/out thinking.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: anyway, since you are asking for it: what's with this "oh, but X also did it !!!" approach? it's unpleasantly reminiscent of primary school not to say worse.
asciilifeform: i'ma amend the article.
asciilifeform: ok on reread , seems that i posted init. chronicle after diana_coman already asleep. so fair point.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: fwiw yes, reading it I had this moment "wtf doesn't he name them" but no, I don't *always* shout, lol.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: dunno if that footnote sentence can be any clearer really; and re ^ uhmm, what??
asciilifeform: diana_coman: not to mention, yest. diana_coman did not say 'idjit, why not named vendor immediately' ? why waited for mp to barf ?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: the way i read it, it was on acct of both 'not yet key' and 'not yet known whether worx'
diana_coman: ie no identity, not "not enough testing"; and I promptly added their name as soon as maxim registered the key.
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1945831 - uhm, let me cite from footnote 1: "I can't really give their name since they don't yet have an identity really, seeing how they don't have anybody with a registered key"