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danielpbarron: just seems like more of an nsa themed thing, but I'm no expert in these matters and I'm not married to the idea
asciilifeform: danielpbarron suggested it, so i was curious re: his logic.
nubbins`: i don't think anyone's seriously floating that as a solution
jurov: (i.e. taking from s.nsa money for something it was not involved with at all)
jurov: i have mostly (and painfully) divested from s.nsa, but think two wrongs does not make right
asciilifeform: so even though mircea_popescu is not here, i can say with some certainty that he was not conducting an s.nsa experiment that day.
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: i must confess that if mircea_popescu was conducting an experiment to demonstrate the brokkenness of bitcoin, under the banner of s.nsa, he would have put it as expense in s.nsa statement.
nubbins`: jurov i've never sent a 0-fee tx
danielpbarron: heh i'm a shareholder of both, although not a very big one. full disclosure : i have more invested in bbet than nsa
jurov: asciilifeform: i do check the mempol stats before sending small tx
nubbins`: asciilifeform i think it's clear that the shareholders are happy eating salted shit
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> nubbins` carefully inspects his chair every day before he sits down in it ? << This is inspiring a yard project. I have a tall yet narrow tree to take down. Will make a tree stake before gone forever!
nubbins`: if the chair accepted fees to better ensure my ass stayed sat, yes, i'd examine the chair very carefully when sitting for free.
asciilifeform: again i have nfi, but this is the most parsimonious hypothesis
asciilifeform: for all i know (and i have said this) it runs on kremvax.
asciilifeform: which i know ~0 about.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: if i had to guess, a1 was sent with default knobs.
nubbins`: fuck everybody, i am mp. a 0-fee tx "should" work in my ideal utopia, so it's everyone else's fault if something weird happens
asciilifeform: i hold myself responsible for some of mircea_popescu's rage. and think that it is justified. because the thing ~is~ br0k3n.
asciilifeform: the way i'm reading it, he was trying to make a point, that the currency is broken (and it is), and that he refuses to be held to answer for ~it being broken~
asciilifeform: i think he uses more than 17 btc of toilet paper whenever he shits.
nubbins`: no, i don't
nubbins`: i resent the implication that i haven't been
nubbins`: i guess the plan was for mp to bail it out and trawl the divs for x months
nubbins`: not my story, i have nfi.
asciilifeform: somehow i can't picture that 'zero asset' means 'dies if the wind farts on it'
asciilifeform: incidentally, i also have nfi how the 'zero asset' thing works. i.e., what was the plan if somehow bbet had lost x btc through some other misfortune.
asciilifeform: which i am not any good at.
asciilifeform: anyway i have nfi, will let mircea_popescu explain whether his chair collapsed, which pipe, if any, he grabbed, what kind of reactor coolant came out, etc.
nubbins`: oh, me too. i'm not sympathetic to children playing at adult games tho
nubbins`: but i don't think this is necessarily alf's position
asciilifeform: i am also sympathetic to the argument that the currency chair broke when he sat down on it and wtf.
nubbins`: jurov i wouldn't either; i don't believe B was from another bet
asciilifeform: i admit that i don't see the ponzi aspect here.
jurov: but i wouldn't call it ponzi, at least till bitbet has equity
assbot: Logged on 07-03-2016 16:13:55; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the way it worked, from the beginning, was that he did the site and i did admin and payouts.
assbot: Logged on 07-03-2016 16:31:53; kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-03-2016#1424891 < this is not so. it was not bitbet experience (for example i was not even aware of any of it) and publishing your interpretation on qntra does not assert absolute truth, it just tells everyone who reads it what you think.
jurov: i'm rather curious if the point 3.2d was fullfilled, i.e. kakobrekla agreed with whole crapolade
asciilifeform: i dun get it
asciilifeform: actually i have no idea where B came from
asciilifeform: as far as i can tell.
asciilifeform: so i reread the log, and,
nubbins`: i should make a bet, "mp will attempt once more to remove nubs from lordship list by march 9"
nubbins`: i always assumed it was so
nubbins`: nah, although i think it's fairly boilerplate that if there's x to be made by betting y on a late bet, it happens
nubbins`: i can't see bitbet staying around as a going concern if mp doesn't eat crow
nubbins`: just as long as we're all on the same page here that the 17 btc is fraudulent and mp is refusing to admit his fraud, i don't really have anything else to add, aside from shredding the ridiculous rebuttals put forth so far
asciilifeform: nubbins`: i think you did a perfectly fine job of putting the argument in the logz.
nubbins`: asciilifeform if you'll recall, i'm unable to ask mp because he has me on ignore; i've asked him via gribble ;;echo but he has deigned not to respond, save only through his girlfriend, who had nothing sensible to say
asciilifeform: if i had to guess (why?) - say - drill.
asciilifeform: but i;m not.
asciilifeform: and yes if i were bbet shareholder i'd be going ???.
asciilifeform: anyway nubbins` i srsly have nfi why the 17 was put in as bitbet expense, ask mircea_popescu, i'm not his mother.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: idk, if this carries on, i might have to take up his offer and visit in person (and perhaps disappear into whatever gulag they put the real mircea_popescu in !1111)
asciilifeform: nubbins`: i'ma wait for mircea_popescu to wake up and admit he was conducting a drill.
nubbins`: bitbet is a scam site if this stands, unequivocally. i dare you to declare otherwise, and if you so choose, please PGP sign it for us all
asciilifeform: i dun think kakobrekla is congentalyl capable of worry
nubbins`: i can't tell if you're advocating letting the fraud stand as the only sensible option
nubbins`: "sorry guise, turns out, as you ALL KNOW, i made a mistake that would be interpreted as fraud if it stands"
assbot: Logged on 10-02-2016 17:08:22; mircea_popescu: alowing the possibility that this scam is actually worth taking seriously costs the people who follow what i say whatever it may cost them.
nubbins`: i'm here to get paid and call bullshit
nubbins`: i'm not here to make friends and brown-nose some random dude
nubbins`: what i was saying is that i came here and stuck around to make money
asciilifeform: i got enough of that as a kid.
asciilifeform: i don't much care for them, myself.
nubbins`: fwiw, i also think mp is a piece of shit, but it was easy enough to idle in here and fleece some money out of him now and again. that time's obviously passed since all of his ventures are either spinning wheels or outright fraud shops
nubbins`: as to why, i find his worldview repulsive
nubbins`: don't conflate strong feelings with rage, i'm having a great day :)
asciilifeform: nubbins`: why piece of shit? i think he's a snore, and he - likely thinks i am a snore. but why the mega-rage, l0l
nubbins`: asciilifeform if we're calling spades spades, i think he's a piece of shit, but one has to wonder what weight MY opinion holds in such matters
asciilifeform: nubbins`: fwiw pete_dushenski and i are not huge fans of one another.
nubbins`: asciilifeform agreed which is why i think pete annoys me so much
asciilifeform: nubbins`: i dun think he needs the parroting for anything
nubbins`: asciilifeform i'll venture a guess that it's the same way mp trains derps to stick around and parrot the party line
nubbins`: asciilifeform i waited until adulthood to start raising hell, nobody listens to kids. but i smell a story coming
trinque: I don't get these shots at mod6; he wrote up a fine guide to building a gentoo...
nubbins`: i could count the individuals i'd consider intellectual peers on one hand
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2016 22:35:15; asciilifeform: except i admit that i only expected 'this' to happen after cia murdered mircea_popescu and took his coin...
nubbins`: PeterL i don't know how much of the logs you've read, but it's mostly derps
nubbins`: i'm afraid your metaphor escapes me
PeterL: If I send a txn to the addresses listed on a bitbet page, will that expense be put on the bitbet books too?
asciilifeform: in his place, i would do it regularly
nubbins`: i guess we should put his lordship to a vote in a few days if he hasn't resolved things satisfactorily
nubbins`: i was shocked
PeterL: asciilifeform I was suprised when he decided to stick it onto bitbet's books
asciilifeform: but i have nfi, i'm not his mother, cannot answer why he does things! l0l!
asciilifeform: nubbins`: i fully expected that mircea_popescu would cover the 17 from the coin stuck in his toenails
nubbins`: i'm all ears
asciilifeform: nubbins`: incidentally i have nfi what mpb does, i have never seen it and don't expect to
kakobrekla: i dont think this will be a problem. notice the 'double-check' guy from comments.
nubbins`: "i have to push my own tx because bitbet can't afford a tx fee"
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: it sounds reasonable. except that i suspect that most of the users will cry, 'how do i transmit a tx?111 waaah'
PeterL: nubbins`> go to qntra article and see how long it takes for someone to even MENTION the obvious cheapo explanation << if you look at the timestamps, it was just a couple hours before we started complaining, which was pretty much as soon as I got around to reading the article in question
asciilifeform: nubbins`: i ~really~, very much, hate the miners. but i do not have the smoking gun that tells us that they were at fault.
asciilifeform: PeterL: i have nfi how mircea_popescu concluded that miners were involved. the only clue i have is that it has recently come out that the top cn miners have formed a derp committee of some kind, apparently for purposes of negotiated separate peace with the enemy
kakobrekla: davout i dont have that information.
davout: kakobrekla: pls to do so, i'm looking through my nodes logs to see if and when i heard about them
nubbins`: adlai i don't think that mixing bets like salad paints a prettier picture.
asciilifeform: anyway i have no idea if mircea_popescu send the 'doubles' because he was pissed and mashing keys, or if he forgot that most of the node network is run by imbeciles who go by chronology to 'resolve doublespend', or what. ask him, not me.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: i thought your objection was precisely to a4