asciilifeform: unidirectional fiber light plox.

asciilifeform: with which to tcp

asciilifeform: not to mention asking it to have a nic

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: requiring faraday cage microcontroller tx gen box to speak whole bitcoin protocol, is imho nuttery

asciilifeform: in point of fact if trb knew how to eat raw tx, you have the knob, neh?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's pretty well demarcated. grep -i -r wallet *

asciilifeform can picture.

asciilifeform: incl. pygmistani.

asciilifeform: imho it was nifty and ought to appear in other langs.

asciilifeform: aaah the egg

asciilifeform: waiwat is

asciilifeform: even for winblows there are patches.

asciilifeform: there's gotta be a patch, somewhere.

asciilifeform: home/end -- do not

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: pgup/pgdown work on the box i have here ☟︎

asciilifeform: imho anything involving php is still outhouse. (albeit some outhouses are a step ahead of others, what with stone plinths and toilet paper roll holder, instead of earthen pit)

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: you got considerably farther than i did, in re mp-wp

asciilifeform does not know, from memory, how to make this

asciilifeform: in fixed width letters.

asciilifeform: if i were writing logtron, i'd go for green text , and names inverted (black on green) letters.

asciilifeform is fond of old-fashioned green crt terminals

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i meant, whole thing

asciilifeform: eh it's your box, use what colours you like.

asciilifeform: 0x00FF00 green.

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: try green in place of red, if you feel like playing with it

asciilifeform: my only nitpick is the colours, and i don't even know if it is my display calibrarion, or eyes, that balk.

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes's logtron is neato btw

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: yeah, unless you're trying to bridge a specific and small gap, mine probably won't be of any use

asciilifeform: all i've got is (about 98% uptime) plain text l0gz.

asciilifeform: aah

asciilifeform: not a scrape

asciilifeform: no, iirc he has proper db

asciilifeform: Framedragger, can haz l0gz tarball ?

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: Framedragger oughta have same l0gz, let's ask him. ☟︎

asciilifeform: before, i think.

asciilifeform: iirc he vanished for 2wks once (turned out it was to bury some kin)

asciilifeform: or killed by martians.

asciilifeform: far from a console.

asciilifeform: prolly out in meatspace.

asciilifeform: !~seen phf

asciilifeform: remove-old-liver-then-go-stroll-around-liverless -- not.

asciilifeform: remove-old-liver-then-immediately-install-new -- a-ok.

asciilifeform: that'd be a tremendously useful thing.

asciilifeform: hand calculator ? abacus ?

asciilifeform: what the fuck to transact with , then ?

asciilifeform: i asked very specific question. say davout makes a wallet-less trb. and for some reason we all embrace it and roll it into each his own personal vtree.

asciilifeform: what do you intend to use ? you want to put #ifdefs in for the wallet ?

asciilifeform: prb ?

asciilifeform: also i admit to a deep curiosity, the folx itching to dump the wallet without offering a new one, what the hell are you lot transacting WITH ?

asciilifeform: what i would like to do in this thread, is to ask folx to stop and think for half a minute about what differentiates trb from prb.

asciilifeform: grandfather's pistol.

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i am all for moving the miner to own binary. BUT you would then have to test it and somehow demonstrate that it in fact behaves IDENTICALLY to the original

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: crypto code belongs on separate box.

asciilifeform: (afaik no such thing ever existed for common lisp, because it was a sanely-defined -- i.e. paper -- standard.)

asciilifeform: trinque: sbcl is not a reference-implementation of anything.

asciilifeform: and own battery.

asciilifeform: davout, ben_vulpes : signatron belongs in a copper box with tiny hole drilled for one fiber.

asciilifeform: but UNTIL new wallet EXISTS, i for one will sign no snips.

asciilifeform: davout: provide sane endpoints. i promise to read patch, and test, and help.

asciilifeform: and quite similar to the 'what is my ip' thing, which i shot.

asciilifeform: excellent example of 'what to cut'

asciilifeform: no one will miss it.

asciilifeform: the estimator is of 0 use.

asciilifeform: davout: this one, i agree with; mandate fee input on command line.

asciilifeform: in fact, until we nailed down the dependencies all the way down to the kernel and gcc, it was possible to argue that trb does not define bitcoin.

asciilifeform: it most assuredly does not.

asciilifeform: davout: you do not get to say that a walletless bitcoin distribution succeeds in 'defining money'.

asciilifeform: anyway who wants to do the 10 minutes of work to prepare a wallet snip, go ahead, just be aware that you will have to repeat most of said work by the time replacement wallet is a thing.

asciilifeform: the even faint implication that i ought to so much as consider heathen nontrb wallets.

asciilifeform: and it is 99% of my rage, re 'lose the wallet'.

asciilifeform: and i still have not forgiven.

asciilifeform: and the last time, someone DID IN FACT SAY 'use python wallet'

asciilifeform: this is not the first thread of this kind, either.

asciilifeform: or to the orphanages ?

asciilifeform: srsly davout , trinque , you would compare 'verifymessage' to winblowz #ifdef crapolade ?

asciilifeform: but to lose functionality, however uncommonly needed, that does exactly 0 harm, and the loss of which reduces by no amount the labour of a trb code reader, is at best a snore.

asciilifeform: i get it, folx watched asciilifeform swing the axe, and it looked like great fun, nao everybody wants.

asciilifeform: that enemy shoved in as attempt to exploit the node.

asciilifeform: suppose i gotta verify the signature on a malformed tx.

asciilifeform: davout: a walletron is pointedly ~not~ 'a knob turn away'

asciilifeform: it means that -- yes -- if i need to , i can open an ancient wallet.

asciilifeform: cutting-apart is a great thing.

asciilifeform: davout: didja ever read mircea_popescu's 'cut apart' piece ?

asciilifeform: or somehow this was implied in my patches ? (where, note, i cut out entire useless subsystems, and shrank memory drain eightfold ?)

asciilifeform: i said this ?

asciilifeform: when ?

asciilifeform: did i say 'everything' ?

asciilifeform: davout: can you draw a scenario where you might say 'now if only we had not thrown out idiot accounts...'

asciilifeform: davout: how's that follow?

asciilifeform: trinque: link plz?

asciilifeform: davout: yes, they could 'rebuild historical trb' but imho if this is a kind of thing that ever becomes necessary, trb will have failed in its continuity-preserving mission.

asciilifeform: trinque: 1 per user, in fact.

asciilifeform: trinque: trb already exists in multiple branches, such is the nature of vtronics.

asciilifeform: archaeology is not always about 'important' people.

asciilifeform: using the routine that the author of said signature intended.

asciilifeform: there are historical signatures floating about, and one might wish to verify them ☟︎

asciilifeform: while it is imho stupid to generate such signatures and rely on them for any practical use,

asciilifeform: i disagree that this would do any good.

asciilifeform: davout: it is good, and healthy, to 'target practice' with the toolchain. but please try to clearly note this.

asciilifeform: then i have nothing else to disagree with