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asciilifeform: PeterL: i dun think mircea_popescu believes in spending
asciilifeform: PeterL: prolly program ? i don't recall folks having to be paid to ~play~ it?
mircea_popescu: oh, perelman takes money now ? darn, i should headhunt the original
asciilifeform: i only got 1 brother.
asciilifeform: (well, no, i will be surprised ~if i learn~, but not ~that it happened~)
asciilifeform: but at any rate i would not be surprised if one day i learn that lee sedol was told by a little bird that if he wins he will have an accident like go seigen in '61
mircea_popescu: anyway, thanks god for kakobrekla's idea of implementing that calculator on site, otherwise with bets like these that draw loads of noobs (i don't mean to bitrcoin, or to betting, i mean to thinking) we'd have had degrees of magnitude more idiotic spew.
asciilifeform: much as i would like to prove some variety of shenanigans re: this bet, i cannot.
mircea_popescu: "No kidding. What a scam this site is. I suppose they're planning on people not really reading the FAQ. I mean it calculates the odds for you and says 1 pays 1 but that's a LIE."
asciilifeform: (re: earlier, i case anyone thinks that winblowz is 'too hard', i have win8 kernel drivers built with GCC and ~zero microshit code~)
mircea_popescu: yaya. i'm all about to encourage ~that~ sort of insanity.
asciilifeform: i demonstrated how.
asciilifeform: that i reversed in 2012 ?!
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-03-2016#1428674 < yeah, "turning into unity" or anything alike is not happening. contrary to what alf may think, i'm not about to java-ify things. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: i guess so
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i can see that angle :)
thestringpuller: ah I was thinking of little black book. was thoroughly confoosed.
asciilifeform: well, aside from the motherland burning and my being powerless to do anything about it on account of sitting on a sharpened telephone pole, i'm having a marvelous day !11
asciilifeform: i've spend my counterfactual-juice for the day
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if i did not scream, we'd prolly be struggling with some 'golang' prb horror now.
asciilifeform: and i appreciate mircea_popescu firing death rays at the enemy !
asciilifeform: (YES i appreciate folks testing, cleaning up, etc. ! don't feel sad !)
asciilifeform: in practice i'm stuck doing pretty much 100% of the ab-initio b-a stuff.
asciilifeform: i wish this were not so, but so far afaik the set of folks who understand everything from galois theory to O(..) runtimes to sdram bus timings includes 1) mircea_popescu 2) asciilifeform .
mircea_popescu: ok so then start with the examples i guess ?
danielpbarron: i have the manual even
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: i never did either, before we began.
danielpbarron: yeah the sane gentoo part i can figure out no problem. just never coded in ADA before
asciilifeform: this is why i say that presently we have 1.
asciilifeform: i'll read and test it , i promise.
mircea_popescu: i'm not even saying that, nor is it even needed. even if you ~could~ actually, provavly, known from my personal discussion with the all-knowing god, do it, what the fuck sort of arrangement is this, "so b-a exists so that alf can fix it" ? how is it better than you know, hiring microsoft to do it.
asciilifeform: and mircea_popescu is entirely welcome to answer 'you SAY you could do X if you were free, but i know that you're a tard! so you could not POSSIBLY do X!11 haha' and i will be powerless to prove him wrong.
asciilifeform: thread was not answer to mircea_popescu, who i think gets it, but earlier folks.
mircea_popescu: looky, lashing at me is not liable to do much. the point remains that this "i could do except alas" line is a total waste of time and utterly broken in so many parts it's not worth fixing.
assbot: Logged on 10-03-2016 16:46:21; mircea_popescu: i have a lawyer whose yearly budget for family is ~8k.
asciilifeform: aha but i hauled 4 ton through city traffic. about same joules...
danielpbarron: asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: i hauled it 3km in 2014 with own hands and spent more on ~petrol~. << gas was twice as expensive then as it is now
asciilifeform: i'm a subject of hitler.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i hauled it 3km in 2014 with own hands and spent more on ~petrol~.
mircea_popescu: i have a lawyer whose yearly budget for family is ~8k. ☟︎
PeterL: I'm not saying downshift, just get out of the land of outrageous rents!
kakobrekla: with a roof i imagine
asciilifeform: i think this sums it all.
mircea_popescu: i was talking in the general!
asciilifeform: i dun need a studio.
mircea_popescu: i can readily see a definition of freedom as "one has enough resources to protect himself from the outside world". this definition is impractical, however, belonging to the sphere chicken world.
danielpbarron: what is a free man in asciilifeform terms? do I qualify by being someone who only needs to work full time for one season out of the year?
asciilifeform: someone asked for this number? i gave.
mircea_popescu: i do not trust it at all. i'm not sure you understand this, but AT ALL.
asciilifeform: i gave pricetag!
asciilifeform: but as it stands i have about 1/10th of my strength to give.
asciilifeform: but i don't have enough lsd to do that thread again.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: well i know what a cage is, and that i live in one.
asciilifeform: as i said to the lsd folks, if i were free man, there would be a solid weapon in 1/2y - 1y. BUT this is a flight to alpha centauri, because i am NOT a free man.
assbot: Logged on 10-03-2016 13:11:00; asciilifeform: 'crowdfundings', as i understand, have worked for mass crapolade
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-03-2016#1428590 << i know of no case where "crowdfunding" worked, in any sensible definition. ☝︎
asciilifeform: how ~much~ of it i get to do before dead, i cannot now say.
asciilifeform: i think i explained what i personally intend to do.
asciilifeform: it, as i said before, is our shipwreck plank.
mircea_popescu: specifically : if miners come up with fork, what are you going to do ? so far all i hear is "blame de gods".
asciilifeform: i prepare for many things. but i also use everett's device. so i do not prepare for surrender and cocksucking ignominy.
mircea_popescu: i'd rather we be prepared, if possible, and i pointedly not care how unpleasant a discussion may be to anyone's/everyone's favourite assumptions. so here we are.
asciilifeform: anyway i did not jump, assumed lsd.
mircea_popescu: what can i say!
asciilifeform: i never panic.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-03-2016#1428549 << could we for maybe 5 minutes stop with this "panic at everything mp says" i'm starting to feel like a fucking divinity or something. ☝︎
asciilifeform: but yes, i would like to have the horse.
mircea_popescu: i don't see the future well enough to judge what chances we have, but i do see the future well enough to see that if you have no horse in a race, you can't win it.
mircea_popescu: hey. i have no artgument there.
assbot: Logged on 10-03-2016 12:53:52; asciilifeform: danielpbarron: mircea_popescu ! unless i misunderstood him somehow.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-03-2016#1428545 << i'm not suggesting anything. i'm saying, plainly, that AT LEAST ONCE in the past, you sucked a cock, which is how you are on THIS blockchain. so the argument "i'm no whore" holds no water. you WILL suck others in the future - best make sure they're ours. ☝︎
asciilifeform: and i will not spread arse for invader, and am not open to persuasion re same, hopefully this needs no further elucidation
mircea_popescu: i do not expect anything, this is why this is a discussion.
mircea_popescu: so basically you propose - wait and see on trb, meanwhile i'll also develop a fork variant which i won't either share or have ready in time ?
asciilifeform: i will maintain trb, while 1,001 things incl. writing mine.
asciilifeform: but i will not fellate the invader.
asciilifeform: the set of available actions is small, and, i think, well-enumerated at this point.
mircea_popescu: anyway - what isn't a strategy is "if the bad thing happens i'll get really butthurt".
asciilifeform: but i will not spread legs for the nazis.
mircea_popescu: which is the meaning ofwhat i said.
asciilifeform: i will NOT be complicit in a reallocation of chainvalue to the enemy.
asciilifeform: l0l i'm getting ~50 baud here
asciilifeform: but i did say what i WON'T, under any circumstance whatsoever, be part of.
asciilifeform: i'm fine with 'also'
mircea_popescu: looky here, maybe i'm not communicating well.
asciilifeform: a usg fork exists to enrich usg. and i will have NO part in it.
asciilifeform: and i strip it away.
asciilifeform: but there were reasons why i was willing to operate on his crud.
mircea_popescu: 2. is the usable interim continuation of the bitcoin prototype. which, obviously, doesn't HAVE TO exist at all points to 1, but it may help if it does. we're here mostly discussing 2, i think.
assbot: Logged on 10-03-2016 12:48:50; asciilifeform: so if you lot end up surrendering, i will simply have to add 'bitcoin replacement' to my already tall pile of 'redo computing' pyramid, slowly grind it in my mostly nonexisting spare time, and wait another 20 years to find a new set of sane people, if i live that long.
mircea_popescu: and note that i include (continue with current bitcoin) in the same (intelligence outside the wot) pile. which it is.
punkman: diana_coman: i just hated everything about it. moving/finding things in inventory, trying to equip things and and ending up with phantom copies if I didn't click just right. Trying to walk and floating at a 45 degree angle, falling to death off smooth hills. The claim sticks that are "points" in space and keys and... I dunno. I suppose some of that might have changed already.
diana_coman: uhm, thestringpuller I'll certainly have to study that, so I'll possibly get back to you on this then
punkman: the whole game interface was a pain for me. I'd give it another go when that changes.
diana_coman: depends on what you mean by "ideas" (i.e. desires in that direction plenty) and by getting rid of planeshift (code is already quite far - in a good sense - from original planeshift and yes, I absolutely want to take it further away)
punkman: diana_coman: ah I missed that somehow
diana_coman: re asciilifeform's meaning of pederasty in this context, I use his previous explanation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-02-2016#1416802 ☝︎
thestringpuller: jurov: not that I'm a huge fan of unity, but after playing Kerbal Space Program you have to give it a little credit. What it does have is a large layer of middleware which allows for much better asset management. Whereas in Planeshift + Crystalspace it's all handled in essentially a textfile...
jurov: i was thinking about it as potential learning practice for trb... but such things would make alf shit girder beams
jurov: i have not looked to doing art, only to network (de)serialization in order for lisp to be able to send and receive messages