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DeaDTerra: Anyone want
to buy ASICMINER shares? ^^
DeaDTerra: I have actually added a couple of rules
to my investment rules book ^^
to prevent it happening again
DeaDTerra: I
think a lot of us learnt from
the whole JRO mess, At least I know
that I learnt a lot.
mircea_popescu: didn't kludge get burned a yet undisclosed ammt over
the owens/zip/rebate fiasco recently ?
MoneyIsDebt: Mining bond. Pays daily, always at exact
time. Skipped once only -
today. But it was explained on
the forum
DeaDTerra: that's what I did, nice guy and very
trustable
mircea_popescu: <assbot> [GLBSE] [DMC] 4 @ 0.05 = 0.2 BTC [+] wait a second. didn;t
that start at 1.0 !?
smickles: ciuciu: you're really hung up on
that, arn't you?
patrickharnett: I didn't notice
the 30'th date - wouldn't be a problem anyway
mircea_popescu: patrickharnett so i guess
this has
the side advantage
to you
that you know when you'll be asked
to repay : 30th of october or
thereabouts.
mircea_popescu: the only difference,
teek, might be
that in general cdos are based on fixed rate investments, which arguably mpoe bonds aren't, or at least eskimobob so argues.
teek: so if what mircea_popescu is doing is a cdo
then no
teek: i am honestly not sure, but
teek.a and
teek.b really have no relation other
than name
usagi: Well
teek, didn't you actually invented
the first CDO you know,
teek.A and
teek.B?
mircea_popescu: who's she ? and whether
there's 2 or 18 is not really
too important.
usagi: Actually I
think she mentioned
there are 2
tiers
usagi: there are
three, chain-default
tiers for which
the interest paid is declared by fiat out of a pool, and not related
to
the underlying value of
the funds?
teek: usagi,
this isn't really
the same as nyan
teek: mircea_popescu,
the %'s for a,b,c are
these arbitrary #'s you decide or is
there some math behind
them?
mircea_popescu: tbh i don't
think
there exists more secure anything
than .A atm.
mircea_popescu: either mpoe or patrick would have
to completely wipeout
brendio: MPOE bonds loose if MPOE makes a loss. For A
to lose, one and possibly more of MPOE bonds, Patrick and NYAN would need
to makes losses.
kakobrekla: i dont see how A can have less risk
than MPOE bond if its operated by you on
the end
usagi: quick im logging in now
to cancel
the ask
kakobrekla: hm imho clean mpoe bonds is better deal
than A or B
usagi: Henceforth NYAN.C is limited
to 3,000 outstanding
usagi: I should probably do
that
too
BTCHero: aww all
the asicminer is gone
usagi: Then
the price will shoot up and investors will not realize 9%
usagi: It's
too much pressure. You will have
to limit sales.
usagi: for
the
top
trance?
usagi: You're paying 2x
the value of
the highest known paying security
usagi: Because it's
too imbalanced
usagi: No one is saying
they invented a CDO
usagi: It's a big market, I'm not
the only fast food restaurant
usagi: Kind of like
TYGRR.BOND-PI and yarr but hey
usagi: Just seems strange 2 days after I explained NYAN
to you,
this comes out :p
usagi: No one is saying
they invented
the CDO
DeaDTerra: Wow creative... I
think I have heard about
that before... something about a cat
DeaDTerra: depending if
the Interest rates are already paid out and what
the market looks like
usagi: *** YARR: Dividend changed
to 0.005/day until we get an announcement from pirate
DeaDTerra: Looking
to buy Pirate bonds/assets for anyone
that want out, and I am looking
to sell ASICMINER shares :)
assbot: BITBOND [1@0.6BTC] paid: 0.16332995 BTC. Last price: 0.3902 BTC. Capital gain: -0.2098 BTC.
Total: -0.04647005 BTC. (-7.7%)
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might
take a while).
DeaDTerra: The matter is by no way proven, but it's leaning enough for me
to invest a good % of my capital into pirate
MoneyIsDebt: I guess
that makes sense... If
that's how he makes
the money
DeaDTerra: The Bitcoin market become larger in volume hence harder
to controll, he needs more capital
to make
the same amount hence
the profit per BTC is less, hence he needs
to reduce
the interest rate.
MoneyIsDebt: Is he lowering rates because
the price is so high now, it's harder
to move it?
DeaDTerra: the actions of
the people
that meet him
DeaDTerra: talking
to
the people
that meet him.
DeaDTerra: Several different aspects, Pirate showing
that he's
the manipulator, showing screenshots of him manipulating
the market as well as doing it live.
DeaDTerra: I was going
to get some cheak Pirate bonds :(
DeaDTerra: Did pirate pay
this weekends interest fully (7%)
DeaDTerra: I get 5% :) and I got 7% before,
though I was not heavily invested into Pirate, but I am convinced now.
mircea_popescu: see
the link i sent
to
teek above, it's from april lol
usagi: It's weird. Every
time I list a new security, 2 or 3 pop up just like it
Chaaaang-Noi: its not hard
to get 4.8 or 4.9% with a bit of
trust :)
teek: yeah yeah mr
top
tier
DeaDTerra: I just got started with all of
this :P
teek: DeaDTerra, 5%
top
tier
teek: naw i
think im good for now :P
DeaDTerra: and is
there a official announcement yet?
DeaDTerra: What has pirate changed his rates
to?
Chaaaang-Noi: want me
to send you a second box full of 21 gpus? :)
gribble: Best bid: 12.32479, Best ask: 12.3248, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last
trade: 12.32479, 24 hour volume: 47868, 24 hour low: 11.7555, 24 hour high: 12.34
teek: sure, now i just want
to understand it :)
mircea_popescu: if you wait a few minutes i'll show you
the actual contract.
teek: mircea_popescu, still a little confused.. so in
this case harnett would be
the senior
tranche
thus offering
the least reward,
then mpoe,
then you need some others in
there or?
mircea_popescu: my ideea is
that nobody currently has an inkling as
to risk measurements in btc world
mircea_popescu: or
things of
the same reward and varying risks
to arbitrage risk
mircea_popescu: teek you either mix
things of
the same risk and varying rewards
to arbitrage reward
teek: mircea_popescu: i
think i get it,
thanks for
the info.. so out of curiosity why would mixing something at .3% and something at 1% not be desirable?
usagi: Just
technical analysis price points