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dub: stop trying to approach this with logic
mircea_popescu: you want to build a "facility".
mircea_popescu: A dedicated facility will be purchased or built on un-/under-developed land located in Maine due to our cold 6 months out of the year environment and lack of natural disasters. $150k will be set aside for this purpose as a soft estimate.
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: the only thing I need to do is add to the plan more specifics about the datacenter now that I've worked out the cost and planning for it
Diablo-D3: read the plan
Diablo-D3: very few DCs in the US focus on this
Diablo-D3: selling datacenter space to customers who need high density computation is extremely profitable
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: well, mining isnt even the issue
mircea_popescu: and so people aren't really very interested in facing the cp risk involved.
mircea_popescu: as such, the benefits of making a large company out of many fpgas are neglectable
mircea_popescu: be that as it may, the problems with your design are that anyone can run the newer fpgas. the days when gpu's required competence from the operator are gone.
mircea_popescu: fact of the matter is all this is pretty banal. a currency exists.
mircea_popescu: mno. i could just as well point out that it's because mpex went from 300k to ~5mn valuation, it's mpex that people are speaking about.
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: if other companies are going to end up taking this route, then the people already have spoken
mircea_popescu: wouldn't you think this is something better left to "people" to say ?
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: I didnt invent it bootstrapping through bitcoin, Im making people take it seriously
dub: I saw "Bitcoin Police" and closed the page
mircea_popescu: it's sad what all the prep talks and "creativity" training has done to this generation.
mircea_popescu: im reading up on this jro drama. these forum idiots... ah god they're so friggin ridiculious. they're exactly but exactly like any other 30something incompetent but ambitious circlejerk.
dub: mircea_popescu: because Diablo-D3 is delusional from all teh crack rocks he smoked
PsychoticBoy: omg diablo how on earth are you ever going to make 1M$ to make your company come true?
dub: telnet twrhis1
dub: you need to first smoke all teh rocks
dub: you can't seriously think you can have a serious conversation about DMC
mircea_popescu: you can't seriously think you invented "bootstrapping" though bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: if talk makes you happy you should spend time with whores.
Diablo-D3: kakobreklaa: bootstrapping through bitcoin
Diablo-D3: and that talk makes me very happy
Diablo-D3: theres talk about other companies going the same route as DMC
Diablo-D3: this is a good thing
Diablo-D3: DMC is making these small mistakes here and there, and others ARE learning from it
mircea_popescu: only thing we can fix in this world is ourselves.
mircea_popescu: surely. the only thing is that the market we can do nothing about.
Diablo-D3: a lot of things have already gotten better because of DMC
mircea_popescu: cause i think this "being in a bad spot for being first" is mostly self-pity. in fact, it's in a bad spot by poor communication with market.
Diablo-D3: even usagi's are too small
mircea_popescu: i think you'd have been a lot happier if that contract was better written tbh.
Diablo-D3: and there are no large scale investment funds
Diablo-D3: DMC is in a bad spot by being the first. We can't just leave the money sit
Diablo-D3: I'm ipo'ing as a company that does many things
mircea_popescu: ya but they didn't actually ipo as a car factory
Diablo-D3: now they can afford their own factory
Diablo-D3: they did business with another manufacturer to get it done
Diablo-D3: Tesla didnt have a car factory when they built their company
mircea_popescu: well ya but you didn't say that originally.
Diablo-D3: [04:53:49] <Diablo-D3> I cant have the hardware here at my house
mircea_popescu: if you ipo as a shoe factory you can't take the money and buy shoe factory shares in other factories
Diablo-D3: when google or amazon build a data center, its thousands of racks
Diablo-D3: yes, but for what the plan covers... that IS a small scale.
mircea_popescu: if they fail you don't end up with large capital costs writen off as losses this way.
mircea_popescu: yes but there's a reason, see ? tghe reason is that it's much cheaper to test things out on a small scale.
Diablo-D3: theres no one else whos doing real world things at this large of a scale in the bitcoin world
Diablo-D3: I actually wanted to invest in someone else being the first... but there wasnt one
Diablo-D3: someone still has to be the first
Diablo-D3: that still doesnt solve the problem
mircea_popescu: commodification is a natural process, you can'd "do" it any more than you can rain.
mircea_popescu: well i'll tell you this, unlike most everyone i don't think you're necessarily foolish. maybe a little haughty. the thing is, it's not enough for something to be hard to make it worth doing.
Diablo-D3: I cant have the hardware here at my house
Diablo-D3: but someone has to be the first, and being the first is always hard
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: some people do agree with you on the market not being ready yet
mircea_popescu: even in that paradigm, i don't understand why you'd be holding other people's paper.
mircea_popescu: the problem with this is that the market is not mature enough to make that move yet.
mircea_popescu: o i recall reading that and pointing out that you're too late for the 1mn bitcoin start-up.
Diablo-D3: you havent read the plan then
mircea_popescu: do you have a complement to that somewhere ?
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: have you not read the plan?
Diablo-D3: yeah, the market is irrational
mircea_popescu: so we'll have to leave your opinions on valuations aside for a moment.
mircea_popescu: well the problem we have here is this : you think yours worth 1, they go for .0x. you think his worth .05 they go for 1.
Diablo-D3: the trade volume doesnt include shares trasferred
mircea_popescu: the dmc is doing nothing to no market. it's 2k lifetime trade volume clearly indicate that.
mircea_popescu: giga's 5mh/s trade around 1, you want three of those, that's 3btc.
Diablo-D3: basically, DMC is locking down the mh market and using the output to further fund the plan.
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: but the next size target for DMC is 15 mhash, so I'm trading accordingly
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: they're not my private shares.
mircea_popescu: so basically you'll take anything to divest from your own company ?
Diablo-D3: any of them
mircea_popescu: didn't it jump to .07 ?
Chaaaang-Noi: i bet people are lined up for that.
Chaaaang-Noi: dmc .03ish and yet will trade 2 of them for an asset worth .1 lol
mircea_popescu: has he paid all his depositors in tradehill yet ?
mircea_popescu: that kenna dude from tradehill who is owen's partner in some land development
mircea_popescu: what i want to know is
Diablo-D3: yeah but you know how that goes =/
DeaDTerra: at least thats what he says he will
DeaDTerra: Though I think JRO is planning to do whats right and repay the investor.
Diablo-D3: explains why their shit was locked
DeaDTerra: JRO,Matthew and the whole crew in charge of ZipConf and Rebate.
DeaDTerra: With little to no communication and a sea of lies and cover ups
DeaDTerra: What I do agree on is that this whole thing has been run in a incorrect manner and with little respect to the investors money.
Chaaaang-Noi: mathew and zhou are in the same boat :) call them what you will lol
DeaDTerra: I wouldn't say they are criminal, they are innocent until the opposite is true.
kakobreklaa: and that was it.
kakobreklaa: they did some testing some time ago
DeaDTerra: I am just saying what I am told, of course I don't know if ZipConf actually work.
DeaDTerra: There is no way to know the truth unless it's proben.
DeaDTerra: I was feed a lot of bullshit, I was fooled and not told the whole truth.
mircea_popescu: but that IS NOT BITCOIN
mircea_popescu: they don't love the sort of half baked shit that goes on on the forums, sure.
Chaaaang-Noi: also deadt no offince but i think you were feed a bunch of BS.