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agath: I didn't meant
to buy it, it was just a statement!
mircea_popescu: haha, i was half
thinking i'll get one myself. just for
the decor.
Diablo-D3: and everyone is upgrading
their shit
Diablo-D3: every major entity on glbse has at least one in
their collection
mircea_popescu: with partners...
that owens guy was a partner,
that bitscalper alfredo dude same
Diablo-D3: deadterra doesnt have
the knowhow for it
Diablo-D3: however, its enough
that I, deadterra, and usagi believe
that
they're more likely
to succeed
than bfl
Diablo-D3: its either 65nm end
to end asic from altera, or 130nm shared silicon or spammed IP cores
mircea_popescu: i have my doubts about
the entire
thing strictly because i don't know
the peiople and it's china based.
Diablo-D3: and
the fab company offers single wafer runs for
their old shit
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu:
they havent released it as public information
EskimoBob: it hurts
to look at BTC just sitting
there and not earning income :(
Diablo-D3: I know what
they did now, but Im not sure if I can repeat it
Diablo-D3: asicminer didnt up front say what
they did
agath: and anyway I
think
that it has no meaning
to discuss about
this here.
agath: Anduck: yes it might, my design should require 0.5W / GH @ 65nm (simulation only, it might be different), and I can't say
too many details
Diablo-D3: thats frequent in extremely
tiny runs and educational runs
Diablo-D3: 130nm, you might be able
to swing a single wafer print
Anduck: agath: is 5W enough
to power 3.5 gigahash/s?
Diablo-D3: yes, but
the minimum is different per fab size and per company
mircea_popescu: this is what im
trying
to pry out of anyone
throwing numbers around
mircea_popescu: jesus god
this is an insane convo. "i can make cars for X usd." "ok, how many". "thart depends on
the
type of car".
Diablo-D3: if your design is prone
to produce 90% failures, well, you're not going
to have very many chips
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: no, already designed and
taped out for
that fab
mircea_popescu: possible it is, yes, if you're
talking just design costs.
gribble: Best bid: 11.36709, Best ask: 11.3671, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last
trade: 11.36709, 24 hour volume: 219648, 24 hour low: 10.6, 24 hour high: 15.4
agath: I didn't want
to know, I know it already, I was just commenting
Anduck: wasnt 0.1
the ipo price?
Diablo-D3: agath: why did you want
to know
the cost of 130nm chips?
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: 30mh share
that might be worth 150 in
the future being sold for 0.1
agath: my only (little) known project in
the bitcoin world is pyramining
EskimoBob: no idea how you managed
to do
that
Diablo-D3: we went from 0.15 per mh normal down
to 0.03
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: well, we know how 90% of
the nav was obliterated
EskimoBob: Diablo-D3: so we never know, how you wasted all
that investors money and lost 90% of
the NAV?
Diablo-D3: agath:
that may be possible, but Im going
to bed
thus Im not getting into character assassination fortress 2
mircea_popescu: look, frankly :
there's many problems potentially with a chip design. you have
to check for resonances, for all sorts of problems. "a design" anyone can make. one
that's valid and has a good rate is expensive.
that aside, you have minimum chip runs, and
the cost per chip is nothing like
the cost per cd or such.
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: even if I do, Im not handing
them over
Diablo-D3: Im just saying its not out of
the ordinary
EskimoBob: Diablo-D3: did you get
the
trading logs?
agath: I already
told you I'm not looking for funds
Diablo-D3: because if its a small wafer size,
thats quite possible
Anduck: that is
the part many dont get
agath: mircea_popescu: I don't intend
to sell
this, and I also don't search for investors so I don't need
to
tell you details about it... I just wanted
to
tell you
that it's not so much complicated as it might seem, if you know how
to do it.
Diablo-D3: [10:08:23] <mircea_popescu> he said
that 130nm chips cost 150 bucks. just like
that.
mircea_popescu: "o,
the
talk host is
the hard part but if you're
talented like i
think i am it doesn't matter
that it's a de facto monopoly and nobody will run your shitty show"
Anduck: asic making is really hard
tho
mircea_popescu: this reminds me of
the kids
that are going
to start a radio station / a newspaper / etc.
Anduck: designing
those chips is
the hard part - BUT if u can do it, it'll all go good
mircea_popescu: for
the rest of us, asic runs have significant capital costs associated.
EskimoBob: in infinity, everything is possible. Even ponies with rainbows out of
their arses
mircea_popescu: no Anduck
these are magical chips of imagination.
they work differently from what you'd expect.
mircea_popescu: he said
that 130nm chips cost 150 bucks. just like
that.
Anduck: agath: what u
think about 5W giving 3,5ghash?
EskimoBob: no, you asked for a CPU wit OS
to run db .. or something like
that
mircea_popescu: so agath, i pay you 150 bucks you're going
to supply me with an infinite ammount of mysql on a chip, 130nm process
EskimoBob: I
thought
those are absurdly expensive. Ques what, not at all
agath: and $150 for 130nm process is
true ......
agath: I am not related
to BFL .....
EskimoBob: agath: what you
think about BFL claims?
EskimoBob: agath: and GLBSE
trading symbol is?
agath: investments run from $150
to $1500000 depending on which
technology will you use: 130nm down
to 45nm
EskimoBob: I did look at
the
thread but I can show you funky images
too and
tell:
this is a ASIC or what ever :)
agath: I'm working on an ASIC project
too, it's not easy but not complicated either...
EskimoBob: he has some
type of prototype and I guess
this gets somehow
transformed
to a real chip "something" and
then
they can print like mad.
EskimoBob: if
those guy pull it off, it will be cool but I have no idea how complicated it actually is do design a ASIC chip for btc mining. Can just 3 guys do it like
that?
Cylta: when pirate will finish it will possible
to start lending money for lower,
than 7% per week.
EmanuelDeOrtego: LOL 2012-08-17 21:33:36] < random BS&T investor > i'm starting
to
think quitting my day job in favor of btcst wasn't
the best decision