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mp_en_viaje: they're big networks in the sense bizantium was a big city cca 1000ad
mp_en_viaje: wtf are they thinking it's anyone's guess (besides, of course, the fact that they've all been pizarro-ing the bed, the usercount has been dropping for 2 decades now, while the internet has been growing)
diana_coman: I rather expect it will be quite lulzy too to see the actual output of thousands of userz but at any rate, if by some mysterious working there is something alive in there, it should be found too.
diana_coman: fwiw on irc-project, thimbronion contacted at least oftc, undernet, dalnet and espernet but because 1. he has to improve there 2. they are all into this wank of "us big networkz, no need serverz" , I'll have him get some proper data and write it up to have it in clear: set up some bouncers and log for a while all chans,
mp_en_viaje: such relief, to be back on hungarian internets.
asciilifeform back to bed for nao.
asciilifeform: plox to resend.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: lol you fughot sumthing important in there
asciilifeform also to meat.
BingoBoingo: I've been paying more attention this week to checking the last extension triplet than the preceeding file name parts.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-16 14:15:42 asciilifeform: aite, let's ask BingoBoingo to dd if=/dev/thatstick | gzip > diana_coman.img.gz and then gpg to asciilifeform . i'ma modify it strictly as required to sit down on new ip and naught else.
asciilifeform: per the recipe .
asciilifeform: wait why's it a tar.gz ? oughta be straight gz of the stick image
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Just multi hour from Uruguay to get the tar.gz.gpg on the server
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: No problem. You have time.
asciilifeform: ty BingoBoingo . i'ma to meat soon, so may have to wait until wakeup.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: upload still has time left.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo plox to ping when diana_coman's contents are ready for dload ; the box to receive'em is prepared (on desk) .
asciilifeform needs fully mechanized process for these, or bringing up rack fulla'em will be 1st class bitch.
asciilifeform meanwhile making new attempt at the auto-installer for asciilifeform-gentoo, this time using trinque's method .
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in heathendom lint traps, new lolz from a very old lolcow .
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-17 05:09:47 lobbes: I will apply said patch tomorrow and see if that fixes things
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-17#1946089 << on initial testing, the re-application of said vpatch seems to have done the trick
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: No particular reason to do it really.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: can't fathom wai you'd want it instead of rk, tho, unless want gigantic sata disk
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 256 ( i dun recall there ever being a 128 ? )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Is the pogo 128 or 256 mb of RAM?
asciilifeform: maybe even a hero will stand up who opens a 3rd, even-cheaper rack. (i'll be surprised tho)
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: for thread-completeness -- by my current reckoning, i can get away with charging <1/2 of what piz cost for colo ; so errybody who lived in piz, oughta be able , for same price, to keep ~2~ (or moar) boxen, e.g. 1 here and 1 in diana_coman's , or even 1 in ea. + barebone in heathendom.
asciilifeform: shelf is nominally 1u, but i'ma set it up under the slot holding the 6in-deep pdu , so effectively 2u of height avail. for what's on that shelf.
asciilifeform: there is to be (just nao uncrated it) a 36in shelf for 'nonrackable rackables'.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It requires very little of anything. It si something that could probably fit on pogo if pogo wasn't physically bulkier than RK
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: does this require any peculiar magicks ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I don't know about moving blogs right away, but I am interested in a something to spread out the DNS record serving
asciilifeform: qntra is a mp-powered system, btw, so he may want to weigh in 1st re where plugged in.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo lemme know if you'd like similar for your qntra. ( and anyone else? plox to write in. )
asciilifeform uncrated just nao the ssd for diana_coman's rk, and the mount. it'll be the 1st box going in.
asciilifeform: ( iirc trinque uses a few internally in castle trinquestein )
asciilifeform: these, notably, run 'coreboot' and have probe jacks and thereby can have , optionally, kernel burned into bios .
asciilifeform: meanwhile in rackables : 2 'apu1' w/ 1tb 'samsung' in ea. ( asciilifeform-gentoo or other filling at customer's option ) will be standing up. and available to sit on.
asciilifeform intends to squeeze max use from the fact of rationally planning the build from 0, and personally config w/ own hands
asciilifeform is setting up a thing where invid. inhabitants could even reserve % of pipe for exclusive use. can discuss cost if anyone seriously interested in such variant.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform's rack is intended to at first house strictly l1 (+ l2 if approved by particular l1) folx. so i dun expect serious congestion of pipe, in near term.
asciilifeform: sorta is the point of colo -- to get ~exactly~ what you want, rather than crude approximation.
asciilifeform: incidentally, if anyone wants to live in asciilifeform's rack and to do so on custom iron, asciilifeform will assemble, for reasonable cost, such iron.
asciilifeform does not know whether smg has the provisions to operate ~simultaneous~ mirrors , but if does, may be good idea to sit in 2+ racks
asciilifeform: additionally , if smg would like to operate 1 or moar boxen here in asciilifeform's cage, i'ma happily service, either on transported iron, or on own stock, either worx .
asciilifeform: ( remember that if you're baking new ones, this also will take time. so entirely q for smg people, and the numbers could come out in either direction )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: per my notes, smg was gearing to purchase its inhabited irons (pending delivery of replacements) , this fell down when the rack fell down. i expect if it comes out as +ev , and estimate of time for transportation aint outrageous, mp may want to proceed with said purchase and grab the irons. worth to ask.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: usa has no 'import vat', 1 of the few pluses of sitting there, afaik.
BingoBoingo: Materials are here to ship.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: acquired substantial virgin bubble wrap and clean virgin cardboard yesterday. Today found "protector poliestileno" for the corners.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: this naturally depends on whether you're already doomed to import. but worth making the calculation.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: for one thing I did not own any irons with pizarro; for the other, I seriously doubt it's cheaper because of the import whatever.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: inquire w/ BingoBoingo re transport of irons. my understanding is that still cheaper (if slower) than to bake new.
asciilifeform recommends to diana_coman & other 'rack bakers' to invest in inexpensive 'coffin' transportable rack -- makes desk testing / transport of stacks of boxen rather less painful .
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i intend to move some , but certainly not 100% , of own items, into this cage, aha
diana_coman: asciilifeform: anyway, it's one of those things that has to be done and that's it.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: trouble is that I'll still pay for sad hosting elsewhere because there's still the need for diverse locations.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: lolz, not yet; I still need to schedule a meeting with at least a few dc-s within reachable distance; then I'll see; fwiw though atm I don't have any rack-irons anyway
asciilifeform: diana_coman: the rack space is recurring cost, but feels considerably less 'bite' to asciilifeform when he tallied up what currently pays for sad hostings elsewhere
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'm beginning to suspect there are folx ~actually~ living in that 1 dc. ( or else wai is there exercise hall, showers... )
diana_coman: then again, I wouldn't quite want to *live* in a dc either and computers seem to multiply in my house as it is so probably not much choice there in the end anyway.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: the big expense here is the rack space esp since recurring; and yes, where was it: will end up paying for racks more than for living quarters, lolz.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: filling a rack, asciilifeform-style, is entirely doable w/out megabux , it costs roughly like those old mercs mp buys. ( at least until one tried to buy ip... )
asciilifeform intends to properly document 'how to bake rack' . cut out the voodoo...
diana_coman: asciilifeform: mind publishing a torture test with pics and all that too?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'ma test w/ own disks, and purchase fresh ones when there are takers
asciilifeform all boxen asciilifeform installs, subj. to 'torture test' before battlefield use
asciilifeform: diana_coman: these (lesse how they work..) boxen are nominally same type, and incl. double redundant ps and my favourite raid5.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i think you have some moar taxes there, in europistan
asciilifeform: these are w/ 256G ecc ram, and (slightly faster than the prev. but still pre-fritz) 2.5GHz, 2 x 16core .
diana_coman: not terrible really; I don't think I saw any similar < 1k, last time I looked
asciilifeform: diana_coman: not incl. ssd disks, presently ~700 (u.s. $) from this new shop.
asciilifeform: 2 dulap-style boxen set to arrive by end of next wk.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: for that matter as far as I know , even hardware is actually cheaper in the USA than in Europe.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'm a miser. but, cage is there, gotta fill. i expect there will be inhabitants.
BingoBoingo hoping and preparing to act along the same lines
diana_coman: asciilifeform: ha, congrats! honestly, by the sound of it, once you got moving, you found everything needed!
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-17#1946115 - hopefully he has already a job by the time I get to move anything; I still work full time for s.mg and I fully intend to get eulora off the ground.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-17 13:21:12 asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'll help , to the extent this is possible across ocean.
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-17#1946114 - noted, thank you.
asciilifeform: aim is, squarely, to 'price to sell'.
asciilifeform considered 'what if priced FG-style, as fixed constant in btc?' but this would prolly result in outrageous overprice that few would be willing to eat.
asciilifeform presently puzzling over where to get exchange rate for pricing; prolly will have to lift from BingoBoingo's auctions, for so long as they're happening with reasonable regularity .
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-16 14:13:44 asciilifeform: still not calculated what to charge for these, and must do so quickly. i'ma give folx month 'test drive' tho, given the untestedness of the whole orchestra .
asciilifeform: mod6: this applies (and to errybody)
asciilifeform: mod6: lemme know if you want that box of yours housed here, i'ma gpg the postage addr.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: GPG'ing will probably be under an hour. Then uploading will take time.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It's gzipping at the moment. Prolly a few more hours until done baking.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-16 14:15:42 asciilifeform: aite, let's ask BingoBoingo to dd if=/dev/thatstick | gzip > diana_coman.img.gz and then gpg to asciilifeform . i'ma modify it strictly as required to sit down on new ip and naught else.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: can you make this happen by saturday ? would like to get diana_coman's rk standing up immediately when router, hoses, etc. emplaced.
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje lobbes: The comment thing is going to take some digging. Will probably end up pressing mp-wp again.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'll help , to the extent this is possible across ocean.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: it aint 'phd-grade' work, but will take a little learning.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: have you ever had occasion to run a rack before ?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: likely mine will be the 1st to stand up for service, then. but imho really oughta have multiple people willing to do these, otherwise 'fall into sin' and 'whole generalstaff in 1 trench' again .
diana_coman: asciilifeform: thank you, that might be useful indeed; it does seem to me that I might not really have many choices other than picking at least a dc within short distance and getting space there + searching them thoroughly for some human; but atm I'm under such a pile of work on all directions that it's not going to happen tomorrow or next week yet.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-17 01:45:03 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1946023 << fwiw, none of this is anything like that. 100% insane czech 1990s internet over here, i can't comprehend wtf they are doing. then again, the road south is about 50% "men at work" holes by mass (looks like they're making it 3-lane), so i guess once they're done with that maybe they build their comms infrastructure too ? pretty ridoinculous situation tbh.
asciilifeform: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-17#1946076 << ha, and i thought all of europistan had ultramodern net pipe