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usagi: I asked where I could make more money listing; I didn't even imply
that one server was better. But all I hear from you, mircea, is subterfuge.
rg: it doesnt mean you go and print a papr about how
the other exchange sucks
rg: that's
their perogative
rg: if people wanna
talk shit about mepx
mircea_popescu: <rg> what's
the point of flinging mud << i dunno man. guy comes in here wants
to
talkabout how mpex is shit
rg: mircea_popescu: by owning
the box?
mircea_popescu: <rg> mircea_popescu:
the deposit address << what
the hell ? how do
they change
that ?
rg: what's
the point of flinging mud
usagi: Ueah but
there are people passing
thru mpex
to glbse :p
rg: usagi: i made more on MPEX
than GLBSE
rg: mircea_popescu:
the deposit address
usagi: Can you guarantee I'd raise more money listing on MPEX
than GLBSE or any other exchange?
Luceo: -_- My cat has worked out how
to use
the mouse...
usagi: Mircea; Let's say I come
to you with an IPO proposal with a company
that makes 1,000 btc a month.
mircea_popescu: usagi don't weasel out of it. you can't say "o, someone who;'s been at it forever is vulnerable becasue a buncha forum handles
that exist since last week say so"
mircea_popescu: <usagi> You
think so, but are you sure? << i've been on
the web with
thart exact site for > 5 years.
rg: if
the webserver was owned someone could easily change
the addresses on it and make people send
their coins
to
them
rg: so if someone managed
to overflow it
that way, it'd be owned
rg: with content from
the user
rg: and your site is vuln
to exploit
usagi: You can't
talk about other companies internal procedures like you know, because you don't/
mircea_popescu: <usagi> and if mircea shuts
those down he will lose a lot of business << glbse does less
than 20% of any of
the assets passed
througgh.
usagi: No it isn't
true mircea.
That's
the problem/.
BTCHero: well I am a commoner, so I only hear
the same nohing from pirate over and over
mircea_popescu: <usagi> and he says
that in
the event glbse was shut down
there would be a claims process but on mpex it would proceed orderly << it just says mpex has a way
to give people
their proofs and glbse does not.
this is
true.
usagi: You
think so, but are you sure?
usagi: I hear one
thing and
then
the exact opposite from someone else.
mircea_popescu: <usagi>
The US is not going
to ask for mircea's extradition any more
than greece will <<< actually, i
think i have
the legal matters involved with running
the exchange pretty well covered.
usagi: I have sources just like everyone else does.
the problem with sources is
that
they are not always reliable, btchero.
BTCHero: usagi: is in on it, get
the mob
usagi: And
today it's
tuesday and
there's still no real news.
Luceo: Do you
think pirate will pay back?
usagi: But some people want out now, so I'm buying back what I can until
the default is obvious
usagi: We will keep
the first 5% and pass
thru
the rest, about
that
Luceo: Since I noticed
there's been no interest in
the default period even
though pirate said he will pay it
Luceo: usagi: Is YARR going
to pay pirate interest if you get it back?
Luceo: I do like
the higher level of security, I just don't see
the point in making big holdings
there when
they're near-impossible
to move
usagi: And for my extra risk what do I get? I pay more for
the security
usagi: Same with satoshidice, now I don't just have
to worry about 1 person I need
to worry about 3.
usagi: I can
tell you right now RG I'd
triple my investment in your company if it was on GLBSE. As it stands
there's extra risk involved, and extra fees because brendio
Luceo: MPEX generally has
the higher value
transactions
BTCHero: well mpex is more about puts and calls it seems
to me
usagi: If you list on mpex and don't get a passthry
to glbse
usagi: I mean just being in
this channel it's obvious
usagi: It's obvious just watching
the exchange what is more popular
usagi: Thats another
thing, why does he keep saying mpex does more volume in a week
than glbse does in a month
Luceo: But I
think
the fee puts people off and herds
them
towards glbse, paying $200
to join an exchange with only $50k daily volume is a lot
usagi: and if mircea shuts
those down he will lose a lot of business
usagi: The only assets worth
trading are passed
thru
to glbse
BTCHero: I am not a serious enough
trader
to spend 20 btc just
to get on mpex
Luceo: Doesnt bother issuers, does bother
the casual
traders who make up a lot of
the demand curve on glbse
usagi: the fee is nothing, I paid 32btc just
to issue nyan
usagi: I'm not sure it's
the fee
Luceo: I dont mind paying
the fee, many people will
Luceo: and charge
the fee only
to issuers
Luceo: mpex needs an interface which is user-friendly, and imo should have a free-tier account
that can't issue assets
usagi: IMO mpex lacks vision and customer support,
they have some security, and
thats about it. It needs a lot of work.
usagi: I gave it some
time and
thought
usagi: I care
to
the point
that I don't :p
Luceo: tbh
the law regarding most of what we do
usagi: So
that's how I evaluate it; not credible.
usagi: he can't say
that.
rg: if something is illegal, it is a
threat
to its own security
usagi: and he says
that in
the event glbse was shut down
there would be a claims process but on mpex it would proceed orderly
Luceo: It's not relevant
to network security, it IS relevant
to asset security
usagi: The article purports
to be a comparison of security and
then
talks about legality
usagi: The US is not going
to ask for mircea's extradition any more
than greece will
usagi: neither mpex or glbse operate
there
usagi: I also pointed out
to him
that running an unlicensed securities exchange is illegal in
the USA. "So?"
usagi: it's illegal
to chew gum in singapore for example. who cares? Will nefario be arrested in singapore for
the crime of chewing gum in
the UK?
Luceo: MPEX doesn't have any wallet running,
that is a plus security-wise
rg: you dont start serving liquor
then get
the license
Luceo: I
think
the main issue he does get right here is under 'Server rooted'
rg: doesnt change
the fact
that right now
usagi: it makes it difficult
to use
nefario: and attemptig
to spread FUD about our security and legal status
usagi: Some of it is
true, it's
true
that MPEX requires you
to use gpg and encrypt everything. But
that does not make mpex secure
rg: what is hte point of
this comparison
usagi: I
told him
this but he just
told me
to post a comment...
nefario: as
though SSL was vulnerable or something
Luceo: I'd like
to
turn
that on but
the BB client doesnt seem
to work
nefario: which would prevent even
this
nefario: but we can't protect people against
themselves
nefario: because
the users password password was re-used and compromised
Luceo: Also, for some reason your Google authentication doesn't work with Blackberry, I always get
told my
token is invalid. :/
nefario: no GLBSE user account has been compromised using
this methoed
Luceo: nefario: Fair enough. I
think some of
these points are non-points (it's not
the duty of
the exchange
to regulate whether
the stocks are fraudulent or become so)
nefario: Luceo: I've better
things
to do
than spend my
time making rebuttals
to every piece of shit
that rolls out of
that guy mouth.
mircea_popescu: as it stands right now, at any point in
the future you're named and
that's
that.
mircea_popescu: it'd be a lot better
to come clean o n
the matter and offer something definite
to
the glbse users.
mircea_popescu: you don't know
the future in
this respect, i'm affraid.