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nubbins`: so, like i said: i give up.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: what am i to do, half the folks i talk to killfiled other half
nubbins`: i'm not gonna argue basic logic. i give up
asciilifeform: and i have yet to read of a bbet user who wrote in, 'fuck you! i got my 22.222 btc but i can't be sure from whom and for what! pay up!'
kakobrekla: i find the distinction quite irrelevant
nubbins`: asciilifeform i disagree...?
asciilifeform: nubbins`: i see what you did there.
asciilifeform: what i'm saying is that obligation was from bbet-addr to bettor-addr.
nubbins`: i'm not responsible for de-spaghettifying things external to my transactions
nubbins`: i say "no it is not"
nubbins`: asciilifeform let's say i'm owed 10 btc by you.
kakobrekla: asciilifeform i agree with that.
nubbins`: asciilifeform please indicate where i contended such
PeterL: but if I return this doublespend, is it still going to be taken out of my other bets the site is holding?
asciilifeform: note that i am not arguing that this is a moral obligation ☟︎
PeterL: <asciilifeform> but if any of them had seen it fit to return so much as one satoshi of the doublesend - i assume mircea_popescu, kakobrekla, or davout would have mentioned. << If I did want to return part of doublespend, where would I send it and be sure MP does not just pocket it?
asciilifeform: he might. but only after i pay the 100.
asciilifeform: i ask 'gimme back me sword, mircea_popescu '
asciilifeform: i forget it on a park bench. he finds it.
asciilifeform: and i have a vorpal sword, worth 150
asciilifeform: say i owe mircea_popescu 100 btc.
kakobrekla: i thought they were just addresses
kakobrekla: i havent noticed anything that would point to that
asciilifeform: (i could be wrong)
asciilifeform: but if any of them had seen it fit to return so much as one satoshi of the doublesend - i assume mircea_popescu, kakobrekla, or davout would have mentioned.
asciilifeform: i can't see how the scumbags who pocketed the doublespend and then whined about bet payout delay, are not accomplices in the murder of bbet.
asciilifeform: i can't see any hole in this wall.
mircea_popescu: ah ah, you were talking abot yerself! i c.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well the stop drinking thing was a rather substantive change in the usual. I think reduced the N in my SNR, but I'm not entirely sure.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> in other lulz, i was looking at 'google map' near $rupturefarm, and found a 'metaphysical chapel.' << I'll have you know I took 500 level metaphysical classes in University
asciilifeform: (can i eat while hanging off a chopper skid ??)
asciilifeform: first i might eat at the 'cafe saigon'
asciilifeform: in other lulz, i was looking at 'google map' near $rupturefarm, and found a 'metaphysical chapel.'
asciilifeform: but anyway if it were my job to describe parallel universes, i'd put up a shingle!111
mircea_popescu: i thought the consensus was this reactor should have fired a year ago or w/e.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2016#1438393 << ftr i'm not too sold on this sort of argument. if only the bullet hadn't hit your beloved franz ... then what ? wouldn't have been a war ? he wouldn't have been a man, or a soldier ? ☝︎
davout: i will
mircea_popescu: confirmed, i have it here.
davout: mircea_popescu: i can make one
asciilifeform: what i meant was, whatever the bettors end up getting, will be an output of human caprice.
asciilifeform: briefly back to mega-thread, i ~very much see the appeal~ of mircea_popescu's 'cold equations, motherfuckers!' angle.
asciilifeform: i also did not say 'obligation' now did i.
asciilifeform: i can see this.
mircea_popescu: i recommend blindness, because i fucking well aren't going to be supplying all the candles now required or in the future needed to look in all possible or conceivable dark crevices ; nor do i see who ever could.
asciilifeform: i recommend - the communists.
mircea_popescu: i am deeply sorry to disappoint,
asciilifeform: i however see the notion of not fucking-with-a-hammer those malodorous thieving swine who silently kept the windfall and LEANED ON THE GROUP, as ultimately very expensive.
mircea_popescu: you pistolaccident 60 bitcents to 1fuckinghammer, show up at lemonade stand "i would like a lemonade"
asciilifeform: or what am i missing.
asciilifeform: how much do i owe him on next tuesday ?
asciilifeform: tomorrow i trip over a cable, fall on a button, accidentally fire pistol, the bullet hits another button, sends him 90 btc. ☟︎
asciilifeform: say i owe mircea_popescu 100 btc
asciilifeform: and i'm not even sure we have a cataclysm here
asciilifeform: but i digress.
mircea_popescu: what if i come to the kitchen one morning and discover girl cooking burned... the color blue.
asciilifeform: why should i live in a fictional universe of oughts.
asciilifeform: and if there is a colour, i point to it.
asciilifeform: i was not the one who printed the tx...
asciilifeform: the way i see it, and again i feel quite fortunate not to be stuck with the scalpel,
mircea_popescu: which is how solrodar's slavegirl exchange ended up rebuffed. da fuck do i care to import some group bs.
mircea_popescu: now that is very much how i conceive hte notion.
mircea_popescu: remarkably, i had found this in the states, you know, people from the generation that "anti american activities", ie, still had a fighting bone in their body, WOULD engage in this patently insane behaviour.
asciilifeform: not the roulette, i mean
trinque: I think this apt building is communist for having shut off my water today to fix some pipes elsewhere in the building.
asciilifeform: which is why i'm not envying davout his job.
mircea_popescu: not that i know anyone not guilty of it, heck, it's my cardinal sin i'm discovering.
asciilifeform: again, this is far from my planet, i cannot rightfully propose to judge the sultan.
mircea_popescu: atm i can't see that it is and dunno how to completely argue it isn't.
mircea_popescu: but the problem remains, i have nfi how to dispose of the communism charge in that place.
asciilifeform: take a stand. it is one of the things i always appreciated about mircea_popescu !11
asciilifeform: i suppose i am then a soldier.
mircea_popescu: a flattering view, in its innocent purity, but not how practice ever works that i've seen
asciilifeform: being a lord, as i see it, is not about balancing pencils on their points, but pushing the pencil in your CHOSEN direction and ~standing by~ the decision for the rest of your life.
mircea_popescu: in short, yes, i suspect your take on communism may actually require alienation outright.
asciilifeform: i know more about the bacteria that live on the bottom of the sea.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i do not rightfully have a firm enough grip on harem to answer.
mircea_popescu: i think this angle is interesting and should be pursued. so asciilifeform : do you suppose that the harem is intrinsically communist, if and in that the women are equals ?
mircea_popescu: can you elaborate on this communism identification, cuz i dun see it ?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2016#1438527 << i can see this. but we got there already, are already inserted on that stake, regardless of what happens, because the bettors ~will~ get a haircut ☝︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform see, this is how professional life goes. you are paid well to sit in silence in a room and pick the right thread under a microscope ; i am paid even better to sit in the din of the market and pick the right thread with bare eyes.
mircea_popescu: deserve dun enter into i.
nubbins`: asciilifeform the 13.37 haircut is baked into the deal, i don't think any other haircuts are?
asciilifeform: i would like to smoke the necessary dope to see mircea_popescu's pov here, where the scum who got paid twice had the temerity to whine about delayed payouts while sitting on their unearned windfall, but then somehow deserve to be paid a THIRD TIME
asciilifeform: unless i misarithmetize catastrophically, davout is stuck with giving the bettors a haircut. question is ~which~. will there be 'communism', where they all bleed equally? or 'judgement day', when the scumbags bleed first.
mircea_popescu: davout i'm sure you knew what you were getting into.
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2016 12:03:12; BingoBoingo: Aha, I knew it would happen, but I didn't know it would happen this early. The reciever is now burdened with CHOICE.
mircea_popescu: davout hey, i can appreciate the sentiment. the equations, however, stay cold.
PeterL: more of an "I have no words" than a problem
davout: maltova and chunks of cloth not so much... desire to cheer others up, i'd say why not
mircea_popescu: davout it worked, that time, but i wouldn't rely on it!
davout: mircea_popescu: i guess i did when i said 'bettor'
mircea_popescu: you introduced it, really. but i restated the issue more formally and without reference to it.
davout: mircea_popescu: you haven't provided any support for the notion of "a fellow" that you introduced, or did i miss it?
mircea_popescu: davout i am not proposing anything. you are proposing to introduce some assumptions, which seem ridiculous on the face, and are invited to support them.
davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2016#1438489 <<< i'd argue the notion of "a fellow" is not relevant in this context on one hand, are you also seriously proposing that "selling a private key" is even possible? ☝︎
PeterL: the bitcoin did not just move accidentally, bitcoin moves when somebody signs a statement "I own this bitcoin, I am sending it to address X"
PeterL: solrodar if you sign a statement "I give my dog to danielpbarron", then yes it is his dog, and if you later say oops, I meant to give it to bob, then it is up to DPB to give the dog up, but he does not have to
danielpbarron: i guess you don't own your fiats either; the fed does or something
danielpbarron: where have I done that?
mircea_popescu: so yes, i can appreciate the sentiment, infantile such as it is. guy means well, i'm sure. but in point of fact he is so far removed from relevancy in any conceivable approach to the issues, that there's really very little to be said.