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BTC-Mining: mircea, he technically told how the money was used, although if that's true or even feasible is questionable.
DeaDTerra: ;;later tell Nefario1 Don't forget my candy bar^^
DeaDTerra: ;;later tell Nefario Don't forget my candy bar^^
MoneyIsDebt: ;;later tell MoneyIsDebt I told you so
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell name message
coingenuity: ;;later tell
DeaDTerra: How do I leave a message to someone that's not online?
mircea_popescu: into something very lucrative that we can't be told about ?
MoneyIsDebt: but who's to say he doesn't reinvest the money
mircea_popescu: the only incentive for a ponzi scammer to make a payout is the notion that he's going to skip ion a larger one later.
MoneyIsDebt: thus allowing it to continue
MoneyIsDebt: if he keeps paying, I'm sure some buying will happen for the return
mircea_popescu: yea but from a game theory perspective
BTC-Mining: I suppose everyone invested thinks it's a ponzi and as such, no demand, no cash flow, no more div. Runaway time.
mircea_popescu: its how teh free market works.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla nobody who throws money around at "investments" has any coin left. they who have coin don't "invest" in non-investments.
MoneyIsDebt: hmm, there's a post saying he won't issue more this sunday
BTC-Mining: I guess because people are expecting it to close doors?
Lucidize: So how many of the 10 mil shares have been issued?
Lucidize: oh I see, didn't notice that before
MoneyIsDebt: because obsi can sell 10000000 of them at any time
MoneyIsDebt: I'd be surprised if nobody buys at this point
MoneyIsDebt: but now the bond is yielding 8.24% a week
MoneyIsDebt: was this the market manipulation you were talking about, usagi?
MoneyIsDebt: guess it worked - dump, and now the wall is gone
MoneyIsDebt: or the pools do
MoneyIsDebt: well, something might cause fees to increase
MoneyIsDebt: which will be when profit from fees exceed the block reward
MoneyIsDebt: The trick is to trigger the next big wave in bitcoin
MoneyIsDebt: You probably wouldn't affect difficulty that much by yourself
MoneyIsDebt: .. which will increase difficulty and lower the value of the holdings?
MoneyIsDebt: It doubles in 3 months doesn't it, at the interest it's paying. So you'd have to pay full buying price to loan them.
mircea_popescu: soo, anyone want to lend me a coupla million obsi.hrpt for 3 months ?
MoneyIsDebt: well forever as in bitcoin terms
BTC-Mining: yes, there was a split on one asset
mircea_popescu: tho at the rate it's paying out i doubt your "forever".
assbot: OBSI.HRPT [1@0.1BTC] paid: 0.059745 BTC. Last price: 0.09 BTC. Capital gain: -0.01 BTC. Total: 0.049745 BTC. (49.7%)
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc).
MoneyIsDebt: it's a bit higher than the collective trust in glbse , I'd wager
MoneyIsDebt: "Estimated coupon payouts are 0% to 1% per day"
MoneyIsDebt: well, the contract states he may change interest down to 0%
MoneyIsDebt: it's a better scheme than pirate though
MoneyIsDebt: it's the highest volume stock right now?
mircea_popescu: then bought a coupla thousand.
MoneyIsDebt: someone sold a couple of thousand
copumpkin: you still haven't told me why
Chaang-Noi: i never said that, i said i was disapointed
copumpkin: Chaang-Noi: so do you still think I'm a terrible person?
Chaang-Noi: not even 8 cents traded
jcpham: i thought i was going to die for a second looking at that
mircea_popescu: http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/13476286536.jpg <<< dun mess with me or you'll have to face her.
BTC-Mining: I think it insures too much for too low rates.
kakobrekla: havent even started to read
mircea_popescu: you know what those are ?
mircea_popescu: hence the apparition of lemon laws.
OneMiner: Now I have to move to South America to evade capture. Maybe the IRS will be after me too now. lulz
mircea_popescu: in practice if "anyone can open a lemonade stand" the net result is a spiral of doom, poorer and poorer quality.
OneMiner: Anybody can open a lemonaid stand. If it tastes good or has nails in it is due to the person running it. To stop people you'd have to put some kind of filter in place that whouldn't work out very well I think.
mircea_popescu: take the example of this seizure : it was perfectly warranted and poorly implemented (or w/e, horribly communicated)
mircea_popescu: what i find problematic is that random joe blow with no competence in any field does it.
OneMiner: I do find it problematic that one person can sieze assets and shut people down on a whim essentially.
mircea_popescu: to the greater drama ofcourse.
mircea_popescu: ya well these'd all be problems of teh global scam exchange, im sure they sort it out eventually
OneMiner: nefario can influence these things. Who can stop him? It's up to him to define GLBSE too right?
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder well erik is perfectly within his right to spend his money on w/e he wants, he'sselling his own stake. different thing altogether.
Bugpowder: it was if satoshidice took the money then traded it all for some promising stakes in new competitors that have not been coded yet
mircea_popescu: somehow this doesn't occur to anyone as a path to take.
OneMiner: I acutally don't fault the buys he made (total noob here, don't listen to a word I say). But it does seem that nefario has the autority to do whatever.
mircea_popescu: but yes, other than that the correct thing to do upon the ipo failure was to return investor funds.
mircea_popescu: seeing how their marriage contract doesn't specifically allow for anal sex.
mircea_popescu: well, i'm sure to mention this to all my married friends
OneMiner: Seems one thing is without question, the way DMC was defined in the beginning didn't specifically allow for buying up a bunch of bonds.
BTC-Mining: I thought Diablo had gone insane when he started to trade mhash against mhash... when selling market and buying market would have been a better deal to get mhash.
OneMiner: Lot's of drama, hurt feelings. There's some stuff in the DMC thread about it.
BTC-Mining: What's the thing with DMC being seized?
OneMiner: I'm looking for what the damn thing is acually called. It's very cool. It hops freqs quickly and you can get a picture of many Mhz worth of traffic.
Chaang-Noi: and shipping from thailand sucks lol
Chaang-Noi: dont ahve a sell thread yet guys, and it is not fire sale yet
OneMiner: Ya, too bad. Sounds neat. Never heard of a radio tuner card. Check out the... what do you call it? Multiple freq radio on a chip?
OneMiner: hahaha true. All my gear is a frankenstien collection partially assembled with elecrical tape.
OneMiner: Linky to selling thread?
OneMiner: Shipping two ways, total waste of time.
OneMiner: Well, the gear you are selling. I'm wondering how "priced to sell" they are.
Chaang-Noi: okay ill look into it, right now it seems to be fine
Chaang-Noi: im trained in business admin...
Chaang-Noi: im not really good at this stuff
Chaang-Noi: was testing the cards, the ram, the psu lol
Chaang-Noi: not knowing and trying to fix something just kills me inside
Chaang-Noi: atleast i know what the issue is
Chaang-Noi: take back the hdd?
Chaang-Noi: and what if i find it has some bad stuff, what then?
OneMiner: Ya, that SMART one should be small and fast. It's a very good idea to check the SMART data.
OneMiner: You can do a surface scan in windows. There's other software on the net too.
Chaang-Noi: also anyway to know if it could just be me chaning the video cards? i did change a card or two in it
OneMiner: Throwing errors, error check takes up some time. You should scan it for whatever.
Chaang-Noi: well its thailand and it gets fucking hot here
Chaang-Noi: im going to reboot see what happens
Chaang-Noi: oh so the drive is just bad?
JWU42: more than likely
Chaang-Noi: but damn, why did it take 5 mins to load up?