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__Atlas__: or make
them dependent on
the strong.
__Atlas__: It's in my interest
to empower
the weak,
to arm
them and
to put
them on equal footing with
the powerful.
Diablo-D3: and it is in your interest
that NO ONE starves, and NO ONE who is weak is unprotected, and NO ONE has
to be FORCED
to compromise on
their beliefs
__Atlas__: OneMiner: It
takes a lot for many state
that. I admire you.
OneMiner: It is in my interest
to not have starving people outside my door. It's in my interest
to protect
the weak. It's in my interest
to compromise on my beliefs and values
to a degree.
__Atlas__: The Articles of Confederation were a beautiful
thing.
The British Empire hated it.
Diablo-D3: __Atlas__: in a way, but we almost had
that
Diablo-D3: the US government is slowly
turning into
this
Diablo-D3: the best of communism,
the best of socialism,
the best of democracy
Diablo-D3: the best possible government
takes
the best features of EVERYTHING
__Atlas__: I
think people would end up agreeing if we had a better vocabulary.
__Atlas__: Life in general
to me is selfish profit.
Diablo-D3: like I said,
there is no communism or socialism
__Atlas__: OneMiner: I would do
the same but not out of any obligation.
Diablo-D3: Smoovious: not at all, because
theres no sides
to
the issue at all
OneMiner: I value
the collective good. I value our shared ideals. I'd put you out if you were on fire and I wouldn't ask for anything in return.
__Atlas__: OneMiner: I value choice. I value living on my own
terms. You value guaranteed comfort and security.
Diablo-D3: you help make society function, and we all work
towards
this goal along side you
Diablo-D3: its something every American has
to agree
to
to live here
Diablo-D3: Smoovious:
the constitution does not give us our rights, _we_ give us our rights
OneMiner: You could give me millions of em, what are
they good for __Atlas__?
Diablo-D3: Smoovious: you may
think
that Im wrong here, but Im not. people have a right
to live a normal average life, if nothing else.
OneMiner: I have no need for people with
this mindset.
__Atlas__: I can go ahead and dig roots out of
the ground if I need
to.
Diablo-D3: and I
think we do, indeed, have a problem
OneMiner: If it is a socitety
then
that does imply an obligation, in no uncertain
terms.
Diablo-D3: when
they believe
that
they are anything more
than
that,
then we have a problem
Diablo-D3: their job is
to make sure
the gears of
the system continue
turning, nothing more
OneMiner: How do you describe what you live in? What is it
that lets us live in such comfort other
than a society?
Diablo-D3: but
they arent in charge of
the people
Diablo-D3: it isnt because
they're evil or greedy or any of
the shit Libertarians say, its because
they're incompetent
Diablo-D3: if
the majority of people have chosen
to work and are unable
to get a job, why doesnt
the government just step out of
the way and let
the system work
smickles: __Atlas__: yeah, positive rights seem icky,
to say
the least
Diablo-D3: why does
the government continue
to fuck over small businesses
Diablo-D3: most people in
the US are employed by a small business
__Atlas__: Not because God or
the government or some morality
tells me
to
OneMiner: Slave =
those how help others in need?
__Atlas__: I will help others because I WANT
TO
Diablo-D3: millions of people have CHOSEN
that, yet
the government continues
to destroy any chance
they have at a job
OneMiner: There's an obligation
to your fellow man. It
takes a psycho
to say otherwise absolutely.
Diablo-D3: if someone wants
to get up at 6 a clock in
the morning and work 8-10 hours a day, yes,
they HAVE
that right
__Atlas__: Are people inherently slaves
to others?
__Atlas__: Are people obligated
to give others certain
things?
Diablo-D3: Smoovious:
they have
the right
to _have_ it
Diablo-D3: but
the government continues
to mismanage support services
that make
these happen
OneMiner: It's up
to us
to rise above our genetic programing and work as a group.
This is unlikely.
Diablo-D3: everyone deserves an education, a job, food on
the
table, a roof over
their head
Diablo-D3: we have a diverse population in every meaning of
the word, yet we all deserve
the same basic freedoms
Diablo-D3: when I say
the united states, I mean
the people who live here
smickles: Diablo-D3>
there IS no party. < like a west coast party?
Diablo-D3: they are only employees
that serve
the public at large
Diablo-D3: __Atlas__:
the federal government isnt
the united states
__Atlas__: Well, I'm against it, my friend.
The federal government can go fuck it self.
Diablo-D3: you're either for
the united states or you're against it
OneMiner: The
thing is
that we (people) are very much in
tune with
taking sides and joining forces against
the "enemy". It's against human nature
to work
together when we can be seperated so easily.
Diablo-D3: Smoovious: yes, but
thats just a small part of
the bigger picture
Diablo-D3: the government wastes resources because it doesnt understand how
to govern itself efficiently
__Atlas__: I like
to see
the art of war as a market of asks and bids.
Diablo-D3: we ARE headed in
that direction, and its not something I wish
to see
Diablo-D3: people will protect
themselves and
their families first
Diablo-D3: not when it comes
to a full blown civil war
Diablo-D3: __Atlas__:
the group with
the most guns, really.
__Atlas__: Diablo-D3: Yes, because who has
the power?
__Atlas__: Let's just bring
the Articles of Confederation back
Diablo-D3: the government is lopsided because it caters
to
the needs of
the rich far
too often
Diablo-D3: why do you
think
the US is such a pile of shit? both sides are fighting each other instead of just letting it happen
Diablo-D3: anytime enough people fight being governed,
the whole system grinds
to a halt
Diablo-D3: people have
to be governed willingly
__Atlas__: I will just end
this with
that you can't have an effective government of anything unless you have a populace
that can overthrow it.
__Atlas__: You still
think you have a choice in your government?
smickles: __Atlas__: actually, it was 50 years of peace which was broken when outside forces attacked
the natives
__Atlas__: You can't have one weaker
than
the other.
__Atlas__: It
takes a stable market between warring nations in order
to have peace.
__Atlas__: How is a peace
treaty enforced? Mutually assured destruction.
smickles: ya know, i remember being
told of my ancestor establishing and signing a peace
treaty with
the natives
jcpham: and before
that it was
that other channel
jcpham: that was
that other channel
jcpham: assets is
the new channel
__Atlas__: I'm
tired of
the no-guns, let's all sit down on our asses and everything will be fine attitude.
copumpkin: why is
this crap relevant
to -assets?
Diablo-D3: Smoovious: he just wanted his own people
to stand up and BE people
__Atlas__: Peace doesn't overthrow governments and
tyranny. Never will.
jcpham: i
taking everyone's names and calling
the bitcoin-police
Diablo-D3: but people of ALL races must come
together and make it happen
Diablo-D3: And
theres nothing you can do for
them because
they choose
to be
this way
Diablo-D3: martin luther king jr set in motion what allowed obama
to become president
Diablo-D3: Smoovious: see,
that brings up an interesting
thing
jcpham: currency however prevents violience and encourages
trade
Diablo-D3: you know why
there are so many shit countries? because we squander
the resources