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knotwork: which I
think itself uses
tcp
though might also be capable of udp we use it in
tcp mode
though I
think
knotwork: the
talk with
the server is using ssl encrpyted XZeroMQ
transport protocol
da2ce773: oh yeah... cypro is built-into OT from
the ground up... so
that is a forgoan conclusion.
mircea_popescu: so why can't i just pop an openssl up and
talk
to your server ?
knotwork: so one could also use openssl directly
to deal with
them
knotwork: the client encrypts a private key for each nym you create so yes it does
the securing of
the nyms aka identities
da2ce773: the client could always
talk via
tor or localhost, or whaterever.
da2ce773: but if you want
to automate
things any-way you are going
to need
to do a littlebit of programing.
mircea_popescu: and i depend upon
this client for keeping my identity secure ?
knotwork: someone recently built a package for one kind of Linux but not for Ubunto yet I
think
da2ce773: hmm... or just binding
to
the c++ code yourself
knotwork: no need for
the java client you could use commandline
thus only need OT itself
mircea_popescu: so
there's no simple way for me
to
talk
to
the ot server outside of installing soem (java including) client which i'd have
to build ?
knotwork: I cannot run
the offers scripts for people in cron because even with setting up
the gnome keyring crap
the keyring sometimes does not respond properly plus seems
to lose everything at reboot
too
da2ce773: there is a few levels
to OT. c++ (otlib) <-
the core of OT, everything depends on
this. c++ (otapi) <- bindings
to
the core. java (otapi-java) <- java bindings for
the api
knotwork: oh and what confuses many people is you also have
to
tell it an image path,
to an image it is
to display any
time it asks for password, so no phisher will know what image
to show you
to make a convincing fake password-entry popup
to pretend is coming from your OT
knotwork: (and remembers in future where
to look for
the lib)
knotwork: then when you fire up
the java client you
tell it where
to find
that otapi-java library (the dir, /usr/local/lib) and it uses it
knotwork: opentxs command also goes into OT shell
type mode if not
told a command
to run
knotwork: so you can do everything from
the commandline in OT script
knotwork: however
the OT also comes with "opentxs" command
that executes OT script language
knotwork: the
test/reference GUI is in java
da2ce773: the windows client is almost super-easy
to install now (on windows).
knotwork: the guts are all in
the API libraries,
the actual GUI client just uses
the java API library which is compiled from C++ code
knotwork: mircea,
the OT build builds
the .so dynamic libs
that
the client needs
to dynamically link
to
knotwork: I would never run financial server on
third party hosting
mircea_popescu: knotwork i don't want
to build
the server
tho, just a client
mircea_popescu: da2ce773 what'd be a reasonable server
to run it on ? do you have it on a vps atm ?
knotwork: ok well in ubunto you should be able
to git clone
the OT repo and
the Moneychanger repo and build OT using configure etc and Moneychanger using netbeans
da2ce773: hmm... it isn't a just a clean 'deploy and everything will work forever stage'..
there will be bugs, and it will need maintance/FellowTraveler/I will have
to develop patches for your issues.
mircea_popescu: yes Ignatius-otc, you might also want
to give a look at
Obsi: why isn't
that all automated?
knotwork: or,
they
tell me what
they want
their scripted offers
to be, like have
the script offer
to buy at 97% on scale 1, 98% on scale 10, 99% on scale 100
knotwork: like
the Brits
tell me, please send #### of asset Y
to Martians, Martians
tell me please send so many of asset X
to Brits, etc
mircea_popescu: i was
talking with da2ce773 a while bakc about getting a
test server oince
the
thing is production ready
PsychoticBoy: almost
the same, btc gone in a scam of awful management results in
the same: no btc
Obsi: is
there a reason OT couldn't be made decentralized and fully P2P? Maybe using
the blockchain
to agree on
things
knotwork: Mostly so far
though
there are so few people with clients
that most activity on
the/my (the only) server is using me as data entry clerk
knotwork: You could join us in #opentransactions
to watch progress live
PsychoticBoy: so usagi is ascmmer in
the eyes of
the community
Bugpowder: they will go wherever
they are allowed
to list
knotwork: scams are probably usually looking for "unsophisticated investors" so hopefully will
tend
to flock
to
the insecure but lowest common denominator appeal web-based platforms
Bugpowder: that is
the only reason I have assets
there
gribble: nefario was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 days, 2 hours, 48 minutes, and 10 seconds ago: <nefario>
Those assets are not listed or
traded anymore
Bugpowder: I don't
think GLBSE is going
to survive
mircea_popescu: Obsi
ty, but it doesn't seem like anyone has a choice. glbse is going away. now's everyone's change
to learn gpg.
Bugpowder: well pirate sucks out most of
the money
Obsi: now's your chance
to make mpex usable mircea_popescu
gribble: usagi was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 hours, 53 minutes, and 20 seconds ago: <usagi> Patrick's fund has nothing
to do with NYAN.A
tho.
dub: pretty sure I was
the first person
to call usagi a scammer
OneEyed: AFK,
talk
to you later, 'night
OneEyed: mircea_popescu: but
the investigation gets started pretty fast usually
OneEyed: mircea_popescu: it is
to get a final decision
OneEyed: Since it may start
the investigation by
the cybercrime police unit, it must be fast.
The part after
the evidence has been gathered
takes much more
time, before
the actual prosecution happens
OneEyed: Eheh, no,
this part is quite fast usually, 3 or 4 weeks
OneEyed: And when
the DA will get back
to me, I'll just drop
the charges and won't confirm
them since
the issue is now moot
OneEyed: mircea_popescu: not even, a simple letter is enough, which describes
the facts
OneEyed: So I didn't pursue
the charges
mircea_popescu: you just need
to get your lazy ass
to
the da's office/police station and file.
OneEyed: But, according
to his PM (since he now answered my PM), I was next in line anyway
OneEyed: And puff, magic, I got reimbursed less
than one hour after I
told him so
OneEyed: mircea_popescu: I pressed charges when he didn't answer by PM nor reimburse me (it's free
to start criminal charges here, no need for a lawyer)
Bugpowder: I only played in one
tourney. Won a 29 seater, made $1000 at Red Rocks. Quit while ahead
mircea_popescu: Cylta yea, i
think you pretty much got it. bonds get x% first,
then shareholders. if
theres a loss bonds pay.
Cylta: Mircea I understand
the reason, but I only mean
that
this explanation is shorter :-)
Bugpowder: the best part about
that video is he blows up his account
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder you know
the one where athene noob gets owned in poker
tourney ?
Bugpowder: That was my favorite
trading video of all
time
Cylta: Simple explanation at least would be nice. For example: bonds get everything first, but only defined piece of profit. Stocks get
the rest of profit.
PsychoticBoy: we are NOT stealing your precious coins, we are really investing
them
OneEyed: If I change my mind about GLBSE, I'll buy FDBF again, but probably for lower
than I sold it :)
PsychoticBoy: We are very
transperant (FDBF) we have NO secrets
mircea_popescu: you want me
to have
the girl dig up
the posts where she was
telling him so ?
Bugpowder: Wait -- what? What's Icehill? Please pardon us for having
to make so many early announcements. Icehill is
the name for what will be a publicly registered company in Iceland. Icehill handles all
the implementations of software designed by RingCoin (Kronos, Hermes, ZipConf, and other projects in queue). It is not registered right now.
The project leader is heading
to Iceland shortly
to
talk
to a lawyer working for Iceland's do
OneEyed: Nope, AFAICS dividends for
the fund are made of dividends of
the held assets
PsychoticBoy: also defaulted loans are repaired by
the growt fund