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mircea_popescu: PsychoticBoy tis the sad truth of the matter.
jurov: yes. and i'm too lazy to open it.. am not alone it sems
jurov: i'd like to know what would you say about GamblingMan, if you forgot that was you
jurov: you can visit coinbr.com to improve your guess
PsychoticBoy: mircea dont act like glbse lists only scams and death assets to make mpex look good, its not cool
mircea_popescu: such as... what ? all of them ?
rg: [14:06] <GamblingMan> So let me ask you this mircea_popescu: What is the worst investment I could make on the GLBSE?
GamblingMan: Nobody likes my 69 share trades?
OneEyed: I'll guess this transaction will take a long time to be included in the blockchain, 1 satoshi and no fee: http://blockchain.info/tx/7fd45788453c8da25498335623a52acc9215071543b2f1055773ac33321bbceb
GamblingMan: He was quick to recommend Satoshi Dice before...
GamblingMan: C'mon. I really would like to buy the worst asset in your opinion and track the results of it vs. SD
mircea_popescu: i have no ideea, i don't follow that much.
GamblingMan: So let me ask you this mircea_popescu: What is the worst investment I could make on the GLBSE?
OneEyed: Yeah, I ended up with 1 satoshi on this address
GamblingMan: I'm just a guy with a shit ton of BTC and was looking to put some of it to work.
GamblingMan: I'm not a finance expert if that is what you're asking.
GamblingMan: I expect the interest on borrowing would be higher than the dividends.
mircea_popescu: you're new at this entire finance thing are you.
GamblingMan: Why would I want to pay interest to own shitty shares?
mircea_popescu: GamblingMan if you were someone, as opposed to random anon you could prolyl borrow shares and sell them for your bet.
mircea_popescu: i remember even a decade ago, the shills were a lot better.
GamblingMan: Anyone want to bet on THAT?
GamblingMan: I have a feeling that next month will be even shittier. ;)
mircea_popescu: OneEyed actually they did have a shit month, about half down from statistical expectation
OneEyed: Ok, now let's lose those .9 for good
OneEyed: So if the game is flawed, it's biased towards me right now, I guess that's why you get low dividends :)
OneEyed: GamblingMan: but I've no doubt I'll loose everything, but right now, my returns are more than 100% if you remove the fees (which were high because I chose to start with .001 + .0005 of fees)
mircea_popescu: there's really little benefit in all the btcdust transactions
mircea_popescu: really tho, if it were up to me i'd make the fee larger.
OneEyed: I have more than the original 0.15 amount minus the fees
OneEyed: I played 128 games so far, with 0.0005 in fees every time
OneEyed: GamblingMan: you're kidding? I started with 0.15, 0.05 being for the fees!
GamblingMan: OneEyed: Only an 80% loss? You're rocking that 98% address. lol
OneEyed: Argh, more than .10 now!
mircea_popescu: it boggles me. do you actually think causing further panic on glbse hurts me somehow ?!
OneEyed: GamblingMan: I won't, you told me it was a bad deal :)
GamblingMan: You can probably buy a few thousand shares.
OneEyed: I'll try harder
OneEyed: Shit, I managed to increase the balance while trying to empty it :)
GamblingMan: Sucks to take a loss on this crap, but it is what a deserve for funneling money to Mpex.
GamblingMan: just a few more to sell now...
gribble: Best bid: 12.72, Best ask: 12.8, Bid-ask spread: 0.08000, Last trade: 12.8, 24 hour volume: 34946, 24 hour low: 12.55, 24 hour high: 12.8999
mircea_popescu: GamblingMan your input wasn't really solicited in the matter.
GamblingMan: then beg more people to come in here.
GamblingMan: ignore the idiot
mircea_popescu: rdponticelli i think you'll have to ask him that
mircea_popescu: rdponticelli that yes
mircea_popescu: at this point im torn whether to ignore the idiot or keep him on for amusement purposes.
rdponticelli: I meant MPOE.ETF... Anyway, do you know if smickles allow to redeem the shares for S.M?POE
OneEyed: I will not, in order to spend the last 0.05 I have there :)
OneEyed: No, I was already above the expectation. You can check itself, I've done no other transaction on this address
GamblingMan: You should have stuck with the original test, but I assume after losing a few dozen times in a row using the 98% address, you gave up. ;)
OneEyed: (not enough to win money though)
rdponticelli: S,MPOE It's going to be closed?
OneEyed: So I lost less than expected
GamblingMan: Anyone can IPO anything at whatever they want and then stop selling cheap shares. I know you're familiar with manipulation.
OneEyed: Ok, here is my result. I had .15 at this address, I now have .06685859. I placed 80 + 24 bets (104 total), paying .0005 fees every time I sent and every time I won. I expected: .15 - .0015*104 + 80*(.001*.97653*1.04 - .0005*.97653) + 24*(.001*.244141*4.003 - .0005*.244141)
mircea_popescu: and i hear it's getting closed out at about 1 or something like that.
assbot: MPOE.ETF [1@0.1BTC] paid: 0.02470282 BTC. Last price: 0.3 BTC. Capital gain: 0.2 BTC. Total: 0.22470282 BTC. (224.7%)
GamblingMan: Those types of claims are what make you full of shit.
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc).
GamblingMan: mpoe.etf was NEVER the highest yielding asset.
mircea_popescu: course from what i hear mpoe.etf is closing down, so too late for that.
mircea_popescu: well, actually mpoe.etf was for the longest time the highest yielding
GamblingMan: mircea_popescu: you were in here bashing someone for not knowing "GSDPT is the highest yielding asset on GLBSE"
mircea_popescu: ahahaha this is ridiculous.
GamblingMan: now I know that mircea_popescu is 100% full of shit.
GamblingMan: I took a risk without doing DD.
GamblingMan: mircea_popescu claimed it was the highest yielding asset.
GamblingMan: It would have to retain 80% of the dividends to make the yield even close to acceptable for that valuation.
mircea_popescu: coupla hundred btc to go.
OneEyed: GamblingMan: you know that it retains an additional 5% of the dividends, right?
OneEyed: GamblingMan: are you using the GLBSE passthrough?
GamblingMan: Hopefully they do, looks like I took out the decent bid walls.
mircea_popescu: good, so that's settled then.
GamblingMan: I guess I might as well cut my losses now and sell a few thousand more.
GamblingMan: I've sold off a few thousand shares already this morning.
GamblingMan: "i doubt i claimed that." - ridiculous
GamblingMan: It looks more like the lowest to me after seeing the last dividend.
mircea_popescu: i doubt i claimed that.
mircea_popescu: seeing how it's not an asset on the glbbq...
GamblingMan: Care to modify that statement?
GamblingMan: mircea_popescu: You claimed in here that SD was the highest yielding asset on the GLBSE.
mircea_popescu: OneEyed anyway, the system whereby you pay post to me, i pay post to you seems pretty fair.
OneEyed: GamblingMan: if he did, they would not be relayed by standard bitcoind, and people would not see the result immediately
GamblingMan: I'm all for that.
mircea_popescu: GamblingMan suppose it doesn't want to send them w/o a fee.
GamblingMan: Strange that a site like Satoshi Dice can't figure out how to send transactions with no fees... That is beginner BTC stuff.
OneEyed: GamblingMan: it looks like .0005 are deduced from the gains
OneEyed: GamblingMan: did you deduce the fees?
mircea_popescu: what is this, transactional psychology for beginners ?
GamblingMan: 97.9% - I think not.
OneEyed: GamblingMan: I wanted you to send me money to do the test
GamblingMan: I wanted to see you post the number.
GamblingMan: I thought you'd post a nice %. I already know what your results will be...
OneEyed: GamblingMan: I gave you the address, you can follow it yourself
OneEyed: GamblingMan: none, I stopped in the middle and changed the 1dice address in order to diversify the bets, but that should still average the advertised returns
mircea_popescu: we're safe on that score
OneEyed: Yes, I was here, using the same IP as OgNasty before
mircea_popescu: well there was some guy bashing by that name, also off webchat, yest i think