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a111: Logged on 2019-10-10 01:37 trinque: no startup is an every couple days affair. it's an every waking moment affair, and it redefines waking without your asking too.
mp_en_viaje: in practical terms -- i can use deedbot just fine for in-l payments ; but it is currently not usable for out-of-l payments because of the delay. 99% of those payments are tiny, why leave it on the table.
mp_en_viaje: trinque, iirc there was a scheme discussed year or two ago re small sums and a definition thereof ?
trinque: deedbot wallet is cold storage, and exiting the cold storage requires my involvement
mp_en_viaje: trinque, is there some way to make deedbot wallet work within ~hour rather than ~days ? is there some way to make paste more like 20mb limit than the current wha tis it 2 ? 1 ?
asciilifeform: but i'ma leave off , it is difficult to produce solid figure w/out moar data, for above .
asciilifeform: can make this moar exact floor : the kWatt costs ~same to remove as to emit. therefore cooling can estimate also as 70.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i took a naive stab at calculating the 'floor' for this locale. the util co charges presently 7.83 cents per kW/hr. the halftower is supplied with a 1.2kW baseline . 24*30*0.0783*1.2 ~= 70 $ of mains current ; warehouse sq. metrage goes for ~30 / m^2 here, this yields 100; and the remaining unaccounted for portion of price is then 295 , which presumably includes net pipe , upkeep of the grounds (maintenance, cooling, sla
diana_coman: asciilifeform: yeee, thank you; and thank you BingoBoingo !
asciilifeform: ty BingoBoingo for setting this up .
asciilifeform: diana_coman: meanwhile, i've successfully decoded and unpacked your rk backup. it will go into brand-new rk today.
asciilifeform: 'coloco' co. made the (so far , i've nuffin to dispute it with) claim that it's a regional nexus w/ 4 separate fiber hoses in 4 compass directions to 4 peers, 2 power grids, etc.
asciilifeform: apparently moar bound than rube-asciilifeform prev. thought.
mp_en_viaje: dcs are not that geograpgically bound.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: presently i suspect there is a glut of supply in this geography.
mp_en_viaje: i dunno that there's an objective floor on dc costs.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: my principal ill feeling is re the price, it is suspiciously small. 'there has to be catch'.
mp_en_viaje: with bitcoin this low, advance payment's prolly the least of your worries
asciilifeform: and that my key to the grounds is being readied.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: meanwhile 5min ago i was informed that the leased ips (initially, 6) are prepared.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i will be speaking in person to proprietor to help fill in all of the constants for numerics ( in particular, the cost of additional amperage, when required ; and the stability of the (suspiciously low) price , in particular re desirability of locking it in through advanced payment . )
BingoBoingo: Hardware wise UY1 left little to nothing to nitpick. Dulap type machine lots of ram, lots of fast disk, plenty of cores, hard to have too much of any of these things when shitting pages from public facing port. The room for improvement is in the stack and its management.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: it would appear that you're correct re 'hold value', at the very least : death of 'moor's law' is palpable.
mp_en_viaje: they don't lie ; but there's so very many of them...
mp_en_viaje: for that matter, for all i know $1k worth of ecc now will be worth 50% more than that 1k worth of non-ecc in two years, whatever.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i also like the thermal margin offered by ecc. but the point is made.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, i'm not hell bent on saving the % either ; just making the general point.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: this is valid but cost differential for 'dulap'-types is negligible .
mp_en_viaje: running a business is all about doing math. "am i willin gto pay 1.5% more for a box to reduce losses by one in five million ?"
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: moar concerned with 'box goes down' or 'writes garbage to disk' or 'permits login from rando' than 'garbage www output'.
mp_en_viaje: if your machine mostly serves web, it loses an estimated 20-25 ppm to web being made of shit. meanwhile 2-3 per year comes to sub 1 ppq. it just doesn
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i only buy ecc, last thing i need in list of headaches is neutron . have enuff headaches. (ftr asciilifeform detects 2-3 ecc corrections each yr. per box.)
mp_en_viaje: i dunno if ecc is that important in context, but...
asciilifeform: (they can eat up to half tb)
mp_en_viaje: if you can cram 1tb in there you won't regret it, basically.
mp_en_viaje: cool. and i agree with him -- one thing you most want is ram
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: this is very smart imho. it shall be done.
mp_en_viaje: incidentally, how about you offer l2s, new or otherwise, a year of free hosting ? i'ma throw in a free domain registration with it on my own account, and there you go, novice welcoming package.
BingoBoingo: http://bingology.net/2019/10/16/reasonable-lamp-setup-for-mp-wp-on-centos-6-and-anyserver-terms-of-use/ Leaves out the directory structure figuring someone may want to use the instructions for their own use rather than necessarily bringing up a shared machine.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'll bake a blog post architecting what an ideal shared host machine involves based on the lessons of UY1 and anyserver.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ty, seems that we'll want a 'dulap-type' for this. i'ma 1st handle the outstanding reqs tho.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'll work on a shared server how-to with hardware resources necessary. I can tell you now such a machine is going to want all the RAM it can get. On 'anyserver' MySQL's RAM consumption has been stable and depended so far on how many blogs it has been fed. Apache however benefits tremendously from spinning up new workers and there isn't another httpd worth messing with for the purpose.
asciilifeform off to do queued works, but will answer q's if needed.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: and, and, what you want in exchange for your participation. given as this op is not a continuation of piz proper.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo : at earliest chance, plox to calculate necessary machine resources for piz-style shared box.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-18 13:03:05 mp_en_viaje: perhaps should lay into asciilifeform to offer a shared of their own and we move all the stuff off BingoBoingo 's continuity bridge in there within a month or two ?
asciilifeform: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-18#1946473 << this is good idea. i'ma obtain the necessary physical pieces for ~that~ after properly serviced existing queue ( diana_coman's demo rk ; correct and rational price summary )
asciilifeform: for today also, grr, are scheduled the physical maneuvers. but indeed i cant expect anyone to subscribe unless it is made known to what they're subscribing.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: take your time.
mp_en_viaje: so take the day.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje, diana_coman : i'ma have to re-do the whole numeric orchestra, and write proper summary, w/ rationally-founded constants and at length. will need , potentially, entire day. ( still guarantee cost less than piz, however, for analogous machines. )
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: I am all for hosting it with asciilifeform but tbh I would very much want him to publish an actual business plan on his blog.
mp_en_viaje: i suppose. i have so many of these by now tho...
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: that makes sense as a direct replication of previous setup; I don't really see anything wrong with it either; alternatively I suppose I can always set it up even on a vps with maxim or whatevers, it's literally "don't care where", all of it is public and fixed and should just be accessible for people to download stuff.
mp_en_viaje: perhaps should lay into asciilifeform to offer a shared of their own and we move all the stuff off BingoBoingo 's continuity bridge in there within a month or two ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-18 12:46:23 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-18#1946438 - 2 clones of the smg machines ie dev and prod server works; the website used to be on the shared server but tbh it's both the lightest and the least sensitive part, it can live ~anywhere.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-18#1946447 << i honestly dunno wtf to do about that,
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, i should prolly have that god damned youtube translated, it's just TOO fucking archetypical.
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-18#1946300 - meanwhile after reading a translation of some chinese dude's similar attempts to "communicate", I start suspecting that everyone's chinese!! but after this experience, I'll add to #o curriculum documented interactions with unknown people to be done until result is judged acceptable.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: 100 is a rounded-off output of complicated arithmetic similar to ^ including cost of cage, % of max amperage eaten by $box at peak load, cost of ip, amortization of iron. i'ma post for criticism after tea.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/eulora/2018-06-02#970126 << there
diana_coman: at which point I realise I miss eulora playing too.
mp_en_viaje: there's ten thousand of these.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i'ma post the exact breakdown momentarily
mp_en_viaje: you never saw the eulora logs at all ?
mp_en_viaje: a car will take 4 wheels 10 bucks each + 1 chasis 80 bux + 9 windows 2.20 + 1 engine 115 and our margin 20% comes to (4*10+1*80+9 *2.20+1*115)*1.2 = 305.76
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i propose price : equiv of 100 orc$ per mo per such leased machine, inclusive of full service . to be paid either monthly, quarterly, or yearly, as customer so wishes.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-18 12:38:42 mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, you happy with that design btw ? would prefer something else ?
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-18#1946438 - 2 clones of the smg machines ie dev and prod server works; the website used to be on the shared server but tbh it's both the lightest and the least sensitive part, it can live ~anywhere.
mp_en_viaje: a corp with significant dubaloo-denominated capital goods and bitcoin earnin gpower is like the golden boy of bitcoin finance.
mp_en_viaje: well, is your policy to stockpile irons for ye olde bitcoin insurance theory or is it to not ?
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, i think i'd rather lease, do you have a preference ?
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: let me go back through the whole log because honestly, I'm having a problem with asciilifeform's frenzy-spitting in the logs
mp_en_viaje: lobbes i'm thinking of cloning the pizarro shared for sitting down your thing on ; but comments welcome.
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, you happy with that design btw ? would prefer something else ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: do you wish to purchase the irons or to lease ?
mp_en_viaje: i see. ok, so what'd the charge be for the building of two clones of the smg machines + 1 clone of the pizarro shared server and for a year's hosting ?
asciilifeform: also acquired all of the basic essentials for filling.
asciilifeform: rack gotten. was promised tonight keys.
mp_en_viaje: aite, so then, what's your plan, get a rack and start racking ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: already made arrangements to park arbitrary sums in'ere.
mp_en_viaje: i mean financed. eg when i logged into dns thing a few days back at BingoBoingo 's request discovered i have like 1k usd rotting in there. and that place takes bitcoin, too.
mp_en_viaje: might be a good idea to open yourself a tab with them, too.
asciilifeform: 1 of asciilifeform's longer aims is to teach the proprietor to eat coin. but presently i'd like to eat some meself.
mp_en_viaje: is this adult bank wire ? or the mickey mouse what are they, "send money back to nicaragua" things ?
asciilifeform: presently i wish to 'buy' some coin personally however.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i determined that dc knows how to eat wires. when comes the time to expand the tower, will run BingoBoingo-style auction , to fill this.
mp_en_viaje: well, so do you have some kind of bridge for the gaping void of btc-dubaloo conversions for instance ? i remember that was one of the original wtfs.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: mp_en_viaje is my sole tutor for 'how to serious'.
mp_en_viaje: as i was saying earlier in the proceedings, nsa could very well support this effort ; but it has to be fucking serious not penny ante flavour-of-the-week amateur show.
asciilifeform: it's where subj is taught, it was not taught at uni, no.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: can appreciate 9000 things. which is wai show up to mp_en_viaje's whipping post.
mp_en_viaje: can you appreciate the "wtf were these two doing, sat on isp while playing with xray machine" ?
asciilifeform: will keep spares around, likewise, ate mp_en_viaje's flame re 'what kinda tard are you, no spare irons?'
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: my current understanding is that yer done w/ '1 cage' regardless, asciilifeform's edifice is to house mirrors, spares ?
mp_en_viaje: and if in three weeks this "is solved" in the sense of no longer getting a lot of loglines, and you happen to see a teledildonic telescope on sale, and you buy that, i
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: in fact i'm continuing the dig for spare dc's. cuz this is the obvious, kindergarten problem.
mp_en_viaje: but in a coupla years if the dc implodes and you decide you still can't move, i'll ???
mp_en_viaje: now look at the thing from the other side. what am i getting here ?
asciilifeform: would like, tho, to train it.