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asciilifeform: at this point it is a dead certainty that one of the '90s winblowz pgps was wholly a crock of shit
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: also afaik no one has ever generated a 4096 ~byte~ key
mircea_popescu: funny that he kept chasing the ill brought up (if very pretty) whore. imo she was a detriment to him.
mircea_popescu: then got pissy, english king declared the clergy in a state of outlawry, which did noting, and the french king banned export of money fro mfrance, which starved rome.)
mircea_popescu: (the original bull issued in a situation where france and england were moving towards war ; and because there was precedent that churchly goods may be taxed for a just war - ie, a crusade.
mircea_popescu: you can't revoke a bull. they stand for permanent memory of mankind
asciilifeform: it'll be a while before any such trick is necessary.
asciilifeform: but not popped until 8ball grew for a day
asciilifeform: btw, did everybody notice that 8balling broke a non-crockofshit (i.e. non-mirrored) key
mircea_popescu: that's the one loose end of the world right now, that they somehow got the idea everyone's a child and their kindergarten "rules" matter in the objective.
asciilifeform: they would arrest the sea and the sky if they had a jail to fit'em in.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform only new to you, hanno bock ( http://trilema.com/2016/psa-hanno-bock-still-a-deceitful-shitbag/ ) had it in his list since years ago. forgot to publish it s'all.
mircea_popescu: not like i WANT to. but if "commercial" turns out to be "shit" a la argentina, it becomes not-an-option anymore.
mircea_popescu: with the difference that we were looking for storage/hosting space as well, so might as well make it a p2p abstract republican implementation of aws.
mircea_popescu: and if push comes to shove, we might as well use the method described in the original census - ie, write a proper virus for it.
mircea_popescu: the probject just suddenly acquired a new valence : it will allow us to also reject shitty hosts! move whenever one turns out shit, see what you're left with. report here, too.
asciilifeform: unfiltered net is a thing of the past
a111: Logged on 2016-05-22 12:23 Framedragger: maybe asciilifeform had a point about modern stupidity re. network. i've been very joyfully scanning on three non-amazon hosts and just received first abuse complaint. need to move ops to the likes of ukraine/bulgaria, lookslike! >.<
mircea_popescu: Framedragger you can also tell them that we're in the process of probing the internet for sever ssh key to break them via phuctor, and as this is a tmsr problem they can get phucked - it will get done over their dead bodies.
mircea_popescu: it's a philosophical problem.
Framedragger: (it came from hetzner btw where lotsa (by european folk standards anyway) 'shady' stuff runs and where quite a bit of hax0ring originates from)
Framedragger: maybe asciilifeform had a point about modern stupidity re. network. i've been very joyfully scanning on three non-amazon hosts and just received first abuse complaint. need to move ops to the likes of ukraine/bulgaria, lookslike! >.< ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-05-22 03:46 mircea_popescu: Framedragger a sample sorta thing works to have what to get things going with ; but in general, just do and deliver the whole bunch
mircea_popescu: lemme write a coupla drafts.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how about we add a credits page, move bernstein there, also add phf for keybase spidering, jurov for github spidering, others as may be ? also theory prolly should be rewritten
mircea_popescu: anyway, re the mysterious reappearing 4bn : this is kinda why it's best to err on the side of verbosity a little. if it gets tedious we can cut it back later.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger a sample sorta thing works to have what to get things going with ; but in general, just do and deliver the whole bunch ☟︎
asciilifeform: considering that we had a 10mil*p 8ball in play prior to today
Framedragger: i guess i'll give the results in that format for those 95k ssh hosts (actual number of keys will be lower, i can see that some of those hosts are providing clients a nil set of encryption mechanisms, etc etc
Framedragger: i'm now running the reliable but slower ssh-keyscan on the 95k ssh-running IPs just to get a decent sample. will later revisit wtf zmap is doing
a111: Logged on 2016-05-22 01:20 Framedragger: ..hrm. zmap finished scanning sixteen /8's (so a sixteenth of ipv4 space, minus reserved blocks), but in those blocks there were two known servers running openssh which was picked up by ssh-keyscan. they weren't picked up by zmap. if the thing is unreliable then it's worthless (it still found > 95k of ssh servers though, but...)
a111: Logged on 2016-05-22 00:53 asciilifeform: 'here is a meg of lines with '3' and 'divides' in'em' is WORTHLESS
a111: Logged on 2016-05-22 00:46 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu perhaps we should only print update here when a previously-unphuctored modulus pops? who even cares when old turds break into finer rubble..?
Framedragger: ..hrm. zmap finished scanning sixteen /8's (so a sixteenth of ipv4 space, minus reserved blocks), but in those blocks there were two known servers running openssh which was picked up by ssh-keyscan. they weren't picked up by zmap. if the thing is unreliable then it's worthless (it still found > 95k of ssh servers though, but...) ☟︎
asciilifeform: 'here is a meg of lines with '3' and 'divides' in'em' is WORTHLESS ☟︎
asciilifeform: ;;later tell phf your search box is not grep-compatible. srlsy for fucks sake i can't search for '3 divides' without getting a pile of rubbish
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-22#1470355 << there was a set of entirely phony keys, built via a certain algo, by an unknown 3rd party long ago. see logz. ☝︎
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu perhaps we should only print update here when a previously-unphuctored modulus pops? who even cares when old turds break into finer rubble..? ☟︎
shinohai: https://steemit.com/girlsgonesteem-nsfw/@steempower/welcome-to-girls-gone-steem#comments <<< the logo even looks like a turd. "steem" ☟︎
asciilifeform: thing about nature is that nobody promised anyone a single equilibrium point
asciilifeform: this is a fairly broad category
mircea_popescu: like jeans in russia. who's gonna suck your cock for a pair now?
mircea_popescu: after a generation of that, the value of walmart would equalize and we'd have a rehash of actual society.
asciilifeform: seems like a difference of degree
mircea_popescu: i dun think it is a matter of energy.
mircea_popescu: living in a thoroughly alienated world where hit targets were SO ALONE they actually were you know, a sort of crumb.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform speaking of anarchists, it occurs to me the comic you linked a while back is a fine example. the girl in there is an out and out anarchist. she requires, for her anarchism, the cartoonist to draw the nonsense she lives in ; or if out of meta, for someone to create all the items she uses and then stay out of her way.
a111: Logged on 2016-03-12 00:40 mircea_popescu: (actually, amusingly enough, swift docs date from just about the era ada was fashionable. there was such a time - just like that time in the 90s when everyone was eager to implement linux-y things and you didn't really have to sell it at all, whole cities just switched for no reason)
trinque: homeboy over there has even hooked me up with free KVM access as a favor
trinque: that cat is wondering when you're going to stop tapping oddly on that desk and catch a damn bird
Framedragger: when i was walking outside thinking of $ i got a similar figure in mind - lower bound maybe $30 and upper maybe $70, but prob $/GB rate was off in my mind
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the trick, generally, of passing one for another is visible throughout the nigger career, whichever nigger one might pick. so kropotkin studied cooperation in nature ; which is fine, and observed that it plays a role, which is true. fuck, tmsr is pretty heavy on cooperation also. aaaaaaand then... the sleigh of hand. really, there should be no preferential distribution ? what the shit. and of course, the pious f
mircea_popescu: just, a different kind of state.
mircea_popescu: ie, they need a sort of state like the wasp's parents. dead corpse to be eaten. still etatist though.
mircea_popescu: no, it's because they need a very specific sort of mommy that's yet in short supply.
mircea_popescu: well im no kropotkin specialist myself, but i'm unaware of him putting war as a legitimate human endeavour.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu must've read a very different set of anarchists than asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: re-reading durkeim it becomes obvious that a) omfg socialists everywhere, what the FUCK is it with this "we're all one" pov already! and b) being an anarchist is ~= being a bleating idiot ; what a man's supposed to be is an anomist.
asciilifeform: nor did the folks you got the t1 from give half a fuck what you did with it
mircea_popescu: anyway, so if you spun up 1k aws micros the whole thing could be done in ~a day.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: to get list of machines listening on port 22 using zmap on amazon aws micro instance with 100 mbps pipe, it takes approx 9-10 minutes per /16. note, only what's listening on port 22, but ssh-keyscan should then plough through pretty quickly. will later run more tests, i'll leave a single instance to scan some /16s to then feed into ssh-keyscan
Framedragger: didyouknow, someone wrote a graphing library which mimicks xkcd graph style. iirc it's actually quite nice, insofar as hipster things can be nice. shitlikethat...
mircea_popescu: lmao omfg. dude published the 2012 census with a pgp (v2.0!) 1kb rsa key ; and he claims to be inspired by... XKCD!!! to do a fucking hilbert curve. omfg the unit-square covering discussions were all in vain, xkcd is the source.
asciilifeform: more of a puckering sphincter
asciilifeform: there was a pretty sharp transition from, e.g., mccarthy to jwz
mircea_popescu: it all happened in a blink of a slow blinking eye!
Framedragger: well i did use "folks" which isn't a word from the most high register so to speak :)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, they got a cert.
mircea_popescu: pretending to have a cs program that's all linguistics-free seems to me the height of ignoramity, but whatevs.
Framedragger: wonder if whole log would become references to itself, il n'y a pas de hors-texte and all that
asciilifeform: a working $s would be almost as good
mircea_popescu: not a bad idea either, as a plugin.
Framedragger: "With [... some custom] changes, ZMap can comprehensively scan for a single TCP port across the entire public IPv4 address space [on a 10Gbps pipe, looks like] in 4.5 minutes given adequate upstream bandwidth." https://www.usenix.org/system/files/conference/woot14/woot14-adrian.pdf - not bad
Framedragger remembers he has a disposable tor exit node on digitalocean, can use that one
mircea_popescu: wtf what a waste. titpressed titcakes! wants!
Framedragger: k i'll try and do that (a bit later)
mircea_popescu: please do a different /16 on an aws just to get a handle on how much it costs.
Framedragger: no just a server with probably 50 mbps good uplink
mircea_popescu: 8 years on a single machine. what were you running, aws ?
Framedragger: this was using single machine only - scanning with two now, will add third one when i have a few min. but yeah it's overall slow i guess you could say
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: with timeout per host set to 5sec (default) and unaltered parallel scanning setting (ssh-keyscan does parallel stuff pretty well but it may not be best for scanning huge numbers of hosts; case in point: default version for ubuntu 14.04 terminates if a single remote host closes conn prematurely - needed to patch this..), it took ~65 minutes (i've started logging timestamps afterwards but this is prob quite accurate). this
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: (got 2768 ssh-rsa keys on a test run on a populated /16... this will be fun.)
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mircea_popescu: in which we find aferation is not an english word. a well. it denotes one who appears to have a lot to do / be in the thick of things / busy, but really just pretending. a george costanza of sorts.
asciilifeform: why would a successful (in the financial own-legs sense) heresiarch 'go follow a master' ?
mircea_popescu: it's unpleasant to watch in a context where the others say anything but "hey, you're having these problems because you're an uppity ronin slave. how about you drop the aferations and go follow a master."
asciilifeform: 'Printer patterns to make a useful, practical object (i.e., functional rather than decorative) must be free because they are works made for practical use. '
mircea_popescu: does a conference a week since 1995, hasn't yet explained the difference between things "not meant for practical use" and the rest. wtf is impractical use.
mircea_popescu: anyway - same with music, because "it's not meant for use, but for appreciation". it's a fucking lasagna, what the fuck does this man actually believe ?
asciilifeform: but it is worth remembering that rms began his thing in a time when hardware was rare and precious
asciilifeform: folks who paint themselves into a logical corner tend to do this.
mircea_popescu: they always puzzled me, these inconsistent derps. jimbo wales thinks he's a "libertarian", and "objectivist". one that somehow thinks corporate spying is bad, but "the government should put as many cameras up as possible - they'd prevent crimes".
mircea_popescu: ie, someone somewhere might have received a prototype.
mircea_popescu: it's been half a fucking year or what.
asciilifeform: reportedly thing is plugged into a real live 'elbrus-2'.
asciilifeform: how does one know that a fella has compromised key ?
mircea_popescu: actually there might have been a coupla more publicly known of people with compromised keys
asciilifeform: did the banned fella kick up a stink ?
mircea_popescu: hm, no, actually there was a derp that managed to exploit some timing issue early on.