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mircea_popescu: dub depends.
the girl's got
theymos pretty
talkative in short order.
pigeons: and you loaned
the money
to an unlicensed illegal insurance company
that sold unregistered securities!
BTC-Mining: rdponticelli, who was it who refused
to repay loan because
that was not "theft" since bitcoins aren't "real money"?
BTC-Mining: It had
to start with
that specific string and be followed by a number... pretty harsh.
rdponticelli: You do deserve a scammer
tag, smickles. How do you dare
to expect a payback on a bitcoin loan?
That's scamming!
BTC-Mining: I also wanted a number/capital letter following
the letters
smickles: funny
thing is,
there are a few people who owe usagi btc who are willing
to pay
this debt, usagi just has
to agree
mircea_popescu: but as a general principle, it's hard
to ask for any
third party action on a contract with a dispute resolution clause
that wasn't met.
mircea_popescu: smickles pigeons prolly has it, i vaguely recall
that name under
the idiot
tag.
thestringpuller: as mircea_popescu says,
they are stuck in eternal september
smickles: and
the scammer
tag is a warning mechanism, not a settlement process,
this augustocroppo was assusing me of breaking
the contract by calling for a scammer
tag
smickles: because i recall
them giving scammer
tags
to people who agreed
to judge.me resolution w/o
there even being a claim filed
smickles: if
they want
the judge.me result for a scammertag,
they are changing
the way
they do
things
mircea_popescu: but i can see how
the forum people would go, well, come with a judge.me result first.
mircea_popescu: now, it's not a matter of YOU being a scammer, or
the disclosure being improper or anything
smickles: he admitted it
to me. but
this is a side issue. agreeing
to arbitration concerns
the legal aspects of dispute resolution. not labels on a forum or private discussions
mircea_popescu: well, let's see. usagi doesn't admit default, in what he posts
there ?
smickles: how does
that reach out
to a scammer
tag on bitcointalk?
smickles: mircea_popescu:
that's arbitration
tho,
this is not a dispute resolution
smickles: and it seems
to happen so often
smickles: someone clearly violates a signed contract, and people accuse
the violated party of scamming
mircea_popescu: there's a lot of problems
to be accounted for. it's difficult
to make a secure api in
the first place. even if you do, making a chain of
two be comparably fast
to one alone is not
trivial.
smickles: why would you do high frequency
trading w/o a 'maker rebate'?
jurov: high frequency
trading with multiple users on one mpex acct is just not feasible atm.
jurov: that needs mpex acct,
tho. i don't see an coinbr api in near future.
mircea_popescu: you want an api
to
talk
to
the
thing which
talks
to my api ?
smickles: the blockchain
taint
tool indicates
that usagi has hundreds of btc under his control
jurov: there was even idea
that i do beautified order book
jurov: by popular request... so
that potential users can see it's not so scary as mpex
smickles: jurov: is
there a 'stop-loss' feature?
jurov: so, coinbr now features imgur screenshot gallery.. with an exercise order
that will make you dream
dub: smickles: sounds suspiciously like
the ellet idea
EskimoBob: angry usagi is back :) and
trolling like never before. #_#
mircea_popescu: Got
the same email, didn't receive any of
the bitcoin
that I had
there, not one iota.
asa1024: my next goal is
to learn how
to read and write! :D
asa1024: I wonder everyday how I am able
to get dressed in
the morning.
dub: you've got
to wonder at
the
thought process
BTC-Mining: Eh, guess
that's it for
today, 4:30 am already
BTC-Mining: I'd consider
their inaction as a poor choice, but would not consider
them responsible.
BTC-Mining: Also, since you consider intent, I suppose you wouldn't be against minors or infants who have no choice or knowing intent of causing such hostile acts. As such, why held adults responsible for inaction when
they
themselve are completly clueless.
mircea_popescu: im just
trying
to point out
the immensity of us insanity
mircea_popescu: but anyway,
this isnt a "oh im so much bettert
than anyone else"
thing
BTC-Mining: Aye, but I'm pretty sure at some point, it caused harm
to its own citizen under one law or another. Although I guess
that's not a receivable argument.
BTC-Mining: Even so, would you claim your government has done absolutly zero hostile acts
toward mankind for all
the
time you were a citizen?
mircea_popescu: if i
take
the parking spot you wanted, it may be bad for you, but
there's no hostility involved.
mircea_popescu: we're not discussing "bad for mankind". we are discussing, hostile
to mankind.
BTC-Mining: Corruption in governments is almost always for making laws
that are not bad for mankind.
mircea_popescu: it doesn't even matter whether such laws are ever applied or were ever applied.
the simple fact
that htey exist is sufficient.
mircea_popescu: we are putting
the standard at not making laws which are enmitous
to mankind.
mircea_popescu: we're not putting
the standard at either 100% corruption free or applying laws at all.
BTC-Mining: Simply for
the fact no single government can be reasonably assumed
to be 100% corruption free and applying laws correctly 100% of
the
time.
BTC-Mining: If I applied
that logic for anyone who is a citizen of a government I held responsible for crimes, I'd have
to execute everybody on Earth, including myself.
mircea_popescu: so. all americans. strictly liable. for being part in
the us war on mankind.
mircea_popescu: the only way
to get
the lazy bums out of
their bubble of confort and don't-give-a-shit
BTC-Mining: It doesn't mean
the US is unrecyclable or
that I'd hold every american responsible for
the current situation however.
BTC-Mining: Well, yes, many country are FAR from being in such a mess as
the US.
mircea_popescu: the insanity is quite speciffic
to
the us, with some overlap in
the 51st state (uk)
mircea_popescu: nope, not
the same, and not all over
the world.
this is just misguided jingoism.
EskimoBob: US laws have
turned in
to a pile of shit and same happens all over
the world
mircea_popescu: well most no. but most doesn't matter in
this context.
EskimoBob: mircea_popescu: no,
they are criminal now, but not back
then
mircea_popescu: EskimoBob sure. nazi germany laws were criminal, and
they created liability for loyal subjects of
the 3rd reich.
BTC-Mining: In any case, I'm satisfied so far of canadian laws, although I'm pretty sure
there's plenty I just don't know of.
BTC-Mining: I'm afraid I don't have
the skills required
to do such legal research.
EskimoBob: can a law be criminal? Probably not but i sure can be absurd and instead of protecting people it harms
them. But still, can you call it criminal?
BTC-Mining: I'm pretty sure if even if
they don't abound, we could at least find a few falling under
that definition of yours in romanian laws.
mircea_popescu: obviously not laws are perfect. what we're discussing here are laws
that are criminal in
themselves.
EskimoBob: mircea_popescu: sorr, let me rephrase
thet: "legalize" all
the fake securities
that are issued/promoted in
the mpex
BTC-Mining: Now
the issue is,
there will be laws you don't agree with in every country. And pretty much every country charges
taxes one way or another.
mircea_popescu: EskimoBob not really interested in forum bs "securities", but
tell me more about
the assets-otc lame mpex clone.
BTC-Mining: That's like me saying you doing business like dinning out in a mob's restaurant is being actively engaged in a criminal enterprise. You have dealings with it, it doesn't mean you know or support what
they do. You simply pay
them for a service. Same with citizens paying
taxes.
EskimoBob: can you 2 figure out how
to "legalize" all
the fake securities
that are issued/promoted in
the forum? At least you spend your energy on something useful :)
mircea_popescu: us data :
There were between 222-235 renunciants in 2008, between 731-743 in 2009, and about 1485 in 2010; In 2011,
there were 1781 renunciants.
mircea_popescu: but
they are actively engaged in a criminal entreprise
BTC-Mining: If I see
they support something I don't agree with,
then I object.
BTC-Mining: Regardless of
their citizenship/government.
BTC-Mining: I
try
to completly make abstraction of
the state/whatever is in place and consider each individual individually for
their own actions and intent.
mircea_popescu: peopel
tend
to forget
the state is much ulterior in
the process.
mircea_popescu: nah. you were born one. your citizenship really predates any law other
than
the consitution
BTC-Mining: The state just decided by itself
to consider you a citizen based on it's own set of rules, without your accord.
BTC-Mining: How do you even renounce citizenship? You never agreed
to
that.