mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-29#1956250 << i honestly think it's the right approach. "identify an useful iota of acceptable internal structure and measure everything in that". next step self-obviously being, "once pretty much everything's within the first sigma, take another look at what you mean by acceptable internal structure".

mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-29#1956251 << pleasant nothing. i bet you if i sit down to read what you've written "in" lisp ima in short order discover you wrote it in python anyway.

mircea_popescu: this is in part naggum's "in my view, Common Lisp provides _values_ that far exceed what other languages do, but I fully realize that people won't understand this until they have actually experienced the problems that it solves for them. now, what's _really_ sad is that those who want free Common Lisp systems have _not_ seen what the commercial systems provide in just this way, and they will go on to make free Common Li

mircea_popescu: in short : i honestly don't think deploying lisp ~at all~ is such a great idea, or should be done.

mircea_popescu: (sadly, there's a much better example, also in the form of a naggum exchange. it revolves around "common misconceptions" and such typically pantsuitist wooden tongue, but now i can't fucking find it. though i clearly remember discussing it recently(

mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-29#1956205 << i don't think anyone's proposing all components should be present in all systems. rather, i expect the v-way to do this is end up with a large tree, with some usually-favoured leaves or final branches. the gui/nogui split seems very early, like one of those

mircea_popescu: nfi , maybe false memories, what can i say.

mircea_popescu: this i think must be it*

mircea_popescu: oh, did i put it in some minigame report instead ?!

mircea_popescu: diana_coman, i didn't imagine you had, no. just... you know, my own amusements, what can i say. tara mica da' vesela.

mircea_popescu: pretty sure i insisted a thing be published at the end of what was a longish march if memory serves, and pretty sure i was gratified in it ; moreover i recall interacting with a nobject

mircea_popescu: i seem to remember having read something

mircea_popescu: btw diana_coman there's no ossasepia on the original "holy shit, ints!!" or am i just not finding it ?

mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-29#1956202 << not necessarily, what i meant was, "everything is first read, then the ints are fixed, then it's read some more, then all the shit is taken out, bit by [http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com/2019/draft-gbw-node-s

mircea_popescu: or to put it another way, i do not believe it is either intelligent or even tolerable to try and carry forward the "install" paradigm from derpworld. something much more akin to diana_coman 's work on eulora is what "get installed" will have to mean.

mircea_popescu: neways, as to the burning "OTOH, I wonder if things like Apache or imagemagick get installed, how will the package management system work out, and how comprehensible will system stay?" question -- i see the merit of using the clean spot as a fixed point to attempt expanding cleanliness. so, it would work by apache becoming tmserv or w/e, and not sucking anymore.

mircea_popescu: by ready availability of python or others." << indeed this is mindblowingly beautiful, and as far as i current;y know the foremost fearher in jfw 's cap.

mircea_popescu: "A feature that I liked a lot is that shell is the only scripting language in the default install of the distribution. Typically perl and python get pulled in unconditionally as a build dependency of a runtime dependency of some rarely-used default-installed utility, or are directly used to implement package manager, etc. With Gales, a decision about what scripting language to use can be made without constraints created

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, aite, i might be out for a few days seeing how it's new year but we shall resume in 2020

mircea_popescu: well now that i took all the time to write it, might as well link it : http://ztkfg.com/2019/12/thoughts-on-shrysr-leaving-younghands-and-asciilifeforms-excommunication/#comment-144 (though whaack stll jas to approve it)

mircea_popescu: oh right, the introvert indian engine guy, i see.

mircea_popescu: apparently now there's drama about people i don't even recall ever hearing of. i have fiddy tabs open struggling to keep up with everyone over here and barely managing... it's like an xmas miracle or something.

mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-28#1956145 << i'm sure you can donate less than the cost of a cup of coffee or whatever though. remember, it's the site that doesn't advertise -- a point oft repeated via wikipedia not-advertising.

mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-28#1956143 << ah gosh durnit, you're exactly right. it's my fault, i got confused by thinking of two different nicks as "me".

mircea_popescu: this isn't a complaint -- i don't personally mind evil exists, nor do i believe it shouldn't exist or that its absence would signal any kind of improvement. without evil the world's boring as fuck, which is why idiots asking dumb questions like "how come an infinitely good god has small children raped to death" are fucking stupid. evil is a better addition to the world than fucking cinema, it'd be way too borning to try

mircea_popescu: it gets you stuck saying patently dumb shit like "alliance of the smart against the stupid" when what you quite transparently ~really~ mean is very much "i thought this guy was gonna vouch for my imaginary partitions of a) above!" ;

mircea_popescu: it's not exactly novel, but on the contrary well documented to date. lotta cripples have lived since the practical implementation of rochester's all men be cowards if they durst.

mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-27#1956098 << here's what ~i~ mean : as you live, the very substance of what living even is will work to expose things you're no good at. this is what it is, and what it can ever possibly be. much like all energy manipulation is an entropy increase, all living is self-discovery.