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Ukto: i
turned my gpu off a few days ago
jcpham: thank god for
the shares i have left at coinlab
jcpham: gpu mining is for
the birds
jcpham: I'm not really going
to be happy about bitcoin until I have
the balling asics
gigavps: mircea_popescu
the contract is for bitcoins,
that is not changing
Ukto: just use excel
to store all your data and
track it
gigavps: but i use sublime
text for
the most part
mircea_popescu: now
that you're all in written form. what do you do, explain
the court
that you in fact DID pay
gigavps: mircea_popescu i'm writing
the software
to handle
this now....
gigavps: i'm not really fond of people who can
talk for days on end....
gigavps: my wife does say
that my style of communication is
to offer less and wait for questions
Ukto: now _everyone_ can
take
teh knifes off of everyones
throats, and relax a bit
mircea_popescu: gigavps i did notice you never actualyl said what you were doing with
the claims once complete, so i figure it's because it's
the obvious
thing
Ukto: gigavps: well, now
that
things are working out, lets play nice :P
Ukto: thats been
the whoel odeal
that ppl have been confused on I
think
Ukto: yes, hes
trying
to do it as "right" as possible
mircea_popescu: i
thought you'll go here is a final payment offer, lala.
mircea_popescu: gigavps da fuck. won't
that even cost more
than
the payments
to administer ?!
Ukto: (if
that person is
trying
to work
things out.)
gigavps: wtf did you
think i was going
to do
mircea_popescu: you seriously are going
to be paying weekly btc after your claims are complete ?!
Ukto: see what happens when we
talk
things
through? :)
gigavps: is
the US, it is mandatory
to keep records of who you are doing business with
Ukto: so he plans
to contiune (at some point)
to pay dividends and get back
to business as usual
mircea_popescu: i
thought
the entire problem was you didn't have a way
to identify owners
that's reliable
gigavps: mircea_popescu we don't have
to worry about
that because i'm NOT SHUTTING DOWN
gigavps: Ukto if i was going
to shut down, i wouldn't be going
through all of
this mess
mircea_popescu: it's impractical
to keep fiddling with
the shit forever.
Ukto: gigavps: you were planning
to shut down, right? someone mentioend earlier you wanted
to continue? But
that did nto soudn right
to me
mircea_popescu: i don't intend
to make any more
than one payment
to claimants, which'd be final and negotiated.
mircea_popescu: Ukto i doubt it makes much sense for giga
to pay dividends "normally". i would expect he makes some sort of final settlement.
Ukto: and people blowing up and loosing
their mind and getting attiudes
mircea_popescu: all
this is very fucking c ommon and veryfucking sane, except for people
that really have no idea howfinance works.
Ukto: would you continue
to pay out divs out of your pocket?
Ukto: people can bitch and whine at mp ALL
they want, but if it was made clear
that he had no responsibility
to do any effort
towrads
the actual shares,
then its up
to
thsoe people
to seek whatever based on
their own views. end of story
Ukto: and gigavps, I
take it, your stuck not able
to give out anything unless mircea_popescu provides said documentation right?
mircea_popescu: well, not regardless. if
the stuff giga does ends up having a value in fact
Ukto: so basically, it boils down
to, you did
the passthrough,
told everyone you had 0 plans
to do anything
that requires any actual
time or effort, good luck have fun. now shit hit
the fan, and your sticking
to what your siad since gigavps wants
tax docs/id etc
that you never agreed
to provide should
they be requested. right?
mircea_popescu: the problem with being friendly
to small
timers is
that
then you end up stuck with a horde of very silly people.
mircea_popescu: also, it seemed friendlier
to smalltimers, as in, not have
to require minimum x hundred btc investment.
gigavps: some parts of
the world ;)
mircea_popescu: it seemed logical at
the
time, simplify everyone's maintenance of it.
mircea_popescu: <pigeons> yeah i figured originally i would have an easier
time getting GIGA divdends from MP
than from nefario if GLBSE went south <<
this would be
true. however, glbse going south + giga going
taxid/etc is a different story.
mircea_popescu: <Ukto> pigeons: he removed all records of
the asset from accounts
though, is my udnerstanding << you srsly should read
that 3 hour discussion.
the shares were removed from current holdings. all historical info is still
there, and also here, on
the
twitter feed, etc.
Ukto: or were
those outside of/beyond ?
Ukto: and 'assigned'
to you?
mircea_popescu: <pigeons> well mircea_popescu claims
that "he always stated"
that he intended
the passthrough
to be zero work/maintenance << should i quote ?
mircea_popescu: <Ukto> he bought shares of giga from giga direct? or on glbse << i bought bonds before
the glbse ipo.
they were
transformed into glbse shares when giga decided later
to put up with nefario's bs. i didn't want
to, but i didn't make a huge point out of it either because at
the
time nefario hadn't yet quite shown himself for
the huge cock he was/i didn't know better.
mircea_popescu: <jurov> if f.giga.etf is supposed
to have some value, why nobody asked mircea
to arrange buyback on december 1st? << why did it
trade 3 days out of 30 for
the 30 days BEFORE
the announcement moreover.
Ukto: then again, if someone has
the
time/microtime, it wouldnt be hard
to locate
the record anyways in
teh
table if
that was
the point
EskimoBob: "pigeons | hahah i would have
thought it was you Bob " - LOL :) I do not do crap like
that.
Ukto: for security reasons, I just dont feel like showing
those numbers
to
the public hehe
Ukto: yeah,
tweet/json
trades
Ukto: not "bugs" but,
things
that bug me
Ukto: well,
the id is used internally
to reference
the
txn id
Ukto: but one of my biggest security bugs, is I don't like giving any information
that cold
tie anything directly from
the outside world
to
the db
Ukto: i have an AI field for
the
trades
that has no particular purpose since
the system uses its own
trade
txn id. was debating using
that
Ukto: though i never saw
the habelockinvestments.com url before since it goes off of my window lol
Ukto: hehe
thanks kako :)
PsychoticBoy: Ukto, how it stands, for now, ppl would like
to see me move
to bitfunder
PsychoticBoy: I am also going
to rent a ¨WALL¨ around me :D hehe seems
to work
Ukto: prolly
that kid from china
pigeons: hahah i would have
thought it was you Bob
pigeons: no i dont have a lot of
thoughts right now
EskimoBob: talked
to nefario. Some retard is calling him every day and is leaving really ugly messages
to his voice mail. Who ever you are, you are not helping at all. Damn fuckwits
Ukto: Other
than "please dont screw
the customers" ?
Ukto: any
thoughts for bitfunder? :P
Ukto: I
tried emailing him a few
times, and no response et all :/
Ukto: btw, anyone had contact with
tcatm in
the last 12 weeks he dissapeared from irc?
Ukto: regardless, just because he may not feel, because it is not written down,
that he has an obligation
to
the shareholders
to "try"
to
take care of
them, does not mean
that people do not have
the right
to issue a scammer
tag, for not "Trying", since he did not explicitly write
that he woudl NOT adminitrate
the account beyhond divs. (unless he did?)
pigeons: about a month ago MP made it clear
this is what would happen and so i sold
the rest
pigeons: yeah i figured originally i would have an easier
time getting GIGA divdends from MP
than from nefario if GLBSE went south, and I was wrong, but oh well
Ukto: i
think more effort would go into fighting it anyways
Ukto: not
that I would have a hard
time spending a little effort
to make shareholders "Customer" happy
Ukto: jsut because I dont want
to end up in a similar situation
Ukto: yeah, he suggested I do a passthough of mpex on Bitfunder.. i
think I will def. avoid it now
pigeons: i mean before
the glbse closure
Ukto: pigeons: he removed all records of
the asset from accounts
though, is my udnerstanding
Ukto: for
trusting MP
to do what
they
think is
the right hting