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dub: I
too am excited about lunch
midnightmagic: Okay, lunchtime. :) brb soon as
the sante fe rice my wife made is nuked!
jcpham: i'd feel a lot better about
that
today
jcpham: and kept all
the coins
jcpham: i second guess a normal decison
that makes sense
pigeons: you second guess having
the prevailing plantiff's fees returned?
midnightmagic: It's
too bad you're deciding
to simply keep misspent bitcoins now,
though.
pigeons: you're not
the only one confused midnightmagic
midnightmagic: alright, my curiosity is satisfied.
Thanks mircea_popescu. I'm sorry I keep persisting beyond
the point normal people would.
jcpham: i wish your glass were half full on
this
pigeons: yeah i htink mircea_popescu is pretending
to be upset
to make people more likely
to see oh
the rota isnt biased
to mpex, let's use it
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder not exactly a scheme, and not
to
that, no. it was more of a, let
them drive see what
they do.
pigeons: him spelling all
that out made me feel why didn't he just go ahead and refund in
the first place
dub: mircea_popescu: if you actually re-read
teh comments with a neutral eye, it actually looks like
the rota worked perfectly
mircea_popescu: dub
there's no discussion of intent of deeds and acts made during
trial.
midnightmagic: Okay,
then let me answer your earlier criticism: I am not late
to
the party after all. :-)
Thank you. I'm just
trying
to understand.
Bugpowder: I just assumed
this was all an MP scheme
to get
the Rota off
the ground and produce credibility
that MP was not pulling
the strings.
dub: mircea_popescu: one of
the key aspects of legality is intent, you actions inferred
the intent
to refund him
jcpham: i'm going
to go kill myself now
jcpham: no
there is just drama
mircea_popescu: if i just said "fiogure it out" i doubt he;d have ever found his way rthrough in
time
jcpham: i provided excellent suggestions on how
to avoid
this and i
think mircea_popescu has sufficiently CYA'd for
the next case of mistaken funds
mircea_popescu: dub i do not know why. i was being stewardly, i guess.
trying
to help
the person along, because otherwise
dub: mircea_popescu: well
to onlookers such as myself
thats exactly what it is
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu:
The whole fee? Like
the judges fee?
pigeons: mircea_popescu: people aren't so much criticizing you as
trying
to understand your
thinking
dub: mircea_popescu: sure you did, you asked him
to prove
that
the
txn was his by signing somethign with
the key
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic
the
thing suggested in my argument, ie, 92.x% award. person gets his 130, has
to pay fee.
dub: mircea_popescu: why did you enter into arbitration during
the case
then?
mircea_popescu: im not hoping for anything.
teh case is resolved, it has shown
the system
to not be workable,
that's what it is.
dub: midnightmagic: I get
that he was hoping
to win and
then benevolently refund
the other guy
mircea_popescu: more generally,
the rota can never work, in practice, because normal, honest, well meaning people have no way
to reliably avoid falling in such
tarpits.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Okay, okay. So what were you *hoping* for out of
the case?
That
the judges wouldn't
take
their fees and all
the money gets split evenly so nobody's out?
pigeons: that's ridiculous,
there is no whole, if mircea_popescu is afraid of losing court fees he can just credit
the original deposit
mircea_popescu: the problem is
the judges (unwittingly, i am sure) indemnified
the active party
dub: jcpham: without doubt he's been slojacking fro
the last 24 hours
midnightmagic: It *sounds* as
though you discovered a hole in
the logic of
the case, in
that
there's no real way
to determine judge and party collusion.
midnightmagic: Actually finding dead babies in a
trash can? Not so much..
mircea_popescu: well i guess it depends. dead babies are supposed
to be funny.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu:
The pigeons negrating wasn't
the actions of a man who's upset?
dub: or at least
thats what it looks like
dub: mircea_popescu: if you had stuck
to your rule I'd side with you, but you changed your mind after making him use
the rota
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: I
thought I had. And
then
to get confirmation I've been asking people, and nobody, yourself included, can
tell me why you're so upset.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic but have you read
the description of
the problem ?
midnightmagic: "the judges ruled
that anyone can
take any ammount of money from mpex at any
time at
their option." <--
this is
the same, logically, as A-> ? ->C. I'm just
trying
to find
the progression.
jcpham: i provided good suggestion
to avoid
this edge-case
midnightmagic: Nobody's really giving me a straight answer. Perhaps it only seems like I'm late because I have
to wring
the
truth out of people.
dub: thats
the way you designed it
mircea_popescu: there's 10 btc paid by
the op and 10 btc paid by mpex. out of
these 20, judges get 9, prevailing party gets 10.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic
there's 130 btc
that was missent.
this was returned.
mircea_popescu: im not even, midnightmagic is as usual late
to
the parties lol
jcpham: also fuck you for still
talking about
this
jcpham: but not in
the case
that just
transpired
jcpham: maybe in
this future case
that doesn't exist
midnightmagic: Here's how I understand it.
The judges get paid a fee. 3 x 3 BTC (for
three judges.) Everything else ended up with its rightful owner, correct?
jcpham: and suggest
they be replaced
jcpham: if a rota member
tries it and i'm nominated i'm going
to
take
their funds
jcpham: we ruled he pay
the fee
mircea_popescu: the judges ruled
that anyone can
take any ammount of money from mpex at any
time at
their option.
mircea_popescu: so no. if anything, i went into
the suit so as NOT
to have
to keep it.
mircea_popescu: a. no. i specifically went into
the suit as an alternative
to
the "i simply keep it" rule in force.
jcpham: and
then sent he correct amount
jcpham: and
then sent 10 more btc
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: You
told
them
to sue you for it in court?
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Perhaps I am misunderstanding. Someone accidentally sent you
too much bitcoin, right?
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midnightmagic: Did you go into
the "suit" believing people would decide
to let you keep
the overage?
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mircea_popescu: i can currently make no prediction whatever.
that means no
trust.
mircea_popescu: well,
to
trust someone means
to believe
they act in a certain way.
mircea_popescu: this wasn't supposed
to be neither arbitration nor mediation
tho.
midnightmagic: Arbitration and Mediation, conflict resolution, are all handled by people who
two warring parties
trust.
midnightmagic: Actually,
that's exactly what happens with justices of
the peace.
mircea_popescu: it's just not practical
to conscript people off
the street for playing
the legal scholar.
mircea_popescu: i
think
the best way forward is if one of
the lawschools does a summer project for
this
mircea_popescu: i
think i'm done with experiments in
the people range.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: You should file for a change of venue next
time. #bitcoin-court! :-)
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mircea_popescu: cause it wouldn't work in
the
toilet, right ? so it'd be clearly shenanigans
there.
Korbman: ha, probably not even
that