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mjr_: can't do anything with it
mjr_: they couldn't read the message, but theyt could disrupt it
mjr_: is this how VPN would work too? unless i'm mistaken, i believe a VPN is encrypted (or can be)
mjr_: ie PGP works for a point to point conversation, but if you want to make it routable you have to provide more info to the network (not actual content, but destination etc)
mjr_: because only you can make sense of the message, since the message is encrypted...or am i mixing up my OSI model here :)
mjr_: mirceau_popescu: upon furthor thought, i think that what you have set up IS the equivalent of a circuit...ie. you can verify communication between you and someone else, but i don't think it could work as a broadcast type message (i may be wrong) if i wanted it to take multiple hops, i would be vulnerable to MitM and phishing right?
mjr_: not in the sense of using the block chain for randomness
mjr_: at the end of the day it's very similar to satoshidice (in the sense of expected value, house cut)
mjr_: one of my friends binary options ideas
mjr_: oh by the way...i found the url to the site that i want to get to start taking bitcoins...
mjr_: within bitcoin, there are only a few legit publicly traded companies you can buy all of them yourself
mjr_: oh ok, i was going to say, i don't see the real point of an etf at the moment
mjr_: what was that company doing? an etf of what?
mjr_: a lot of current websites are very much "form over function"
mjr_: ooh rounded corners and drop shadow
mjr_: sometimes too much html5 and flash animations just get annoying
mjr_: lol, thats one of my favorite parts of it
mjr_: lol, maybe should do more research, but still...within bitcoin who would have the highest "credit rating"
mjr_: ok, i missed that discussion
mjr_: maybe chats i missed here, but i would say he has the equivalent of AAA credit within bitcoin
mjr_: that i've read on a forum
mjr_: ie. no one has ever said he scammed them
mjr_: the closest i ever read was sock puppet on SA..but that wasn't even really saying anything bad
mjr_: so i would say most people would trust him
mjr_: like for example...i don't think i have ever read one negative article about mpex or mirceau_popescu
mjr_: that could be used to form a trust service (maybe against the founding goals, but still, could be useful)
mjr_: third party arbitration
mjr_: has anyone really started using the advanced bitcoin features?
mjr_: can you not automate that using the API?
mjr_: i think what will have to happen is that you will have to use current practices, but denominate loans in btc
mjr_: it worked out ok for him...
mjr_: set up a table on the docks and hand out money
mjr_: Amadeo Giannini i would like to be like this guy
mjr_: well, i really look forward to wider acceptance, and hopefully larger holdings for me...
mjr_: because it would be awesome to be able to contribute to a business that you are invested in...signing up helps your actual investment
mjr_: that's what i meant
mjr_: mirceau_popescu: also, I love how you mention NYSE as underdog
mjr_: that is an awesome model
mjr_: two questions, are signup fees accounted for in mpoe, and can you transfer your positions from a broker back to mpex
mjr_: so much respect to the education system there in regards to math and science
mjr_: what also was interesting is that our system is built by romanians
mjr_: thanks to something known as "toxic order flow"
mjr_: even though i think scalping is almost dead
mjr_: good fill rates, cheap fees
mjr_: prop trading can't really work without access to liquidity pools
mjr_: that is the specific area where my company shines...
mjr_: ie. your company offers you access to these routes
mjr_: hmmm....you have to negotiate that with the company, and that is usually on a company level of interaction
mjr_: or somewhere around there
mjr_: with the most expensive being $2.50
mjr_: many times it's around $1 per 1,000
mjr_: in exchange for being able to bypass the bots and in fact the whole order book
mjr_: they can also limit which symbols you can use, how much volume, everything
mjr_: on one that we use, it's 30 seconds
mjr_: dark pools can be very specific about how long you have to wait b4 canceling
mjr_: ie. delayed cancels
mjr_: your implementation of the solution is already in place
mjr_: quantum arbitrage LOL
mjr_: admittedly only 11ms into the future but in HFT that can be enough
mjr_: he literally knew the future, because he caused it
mjr_: so he would have a bot place orders at a very specific time, and then in chicago have orders in place to take advantage of the move he just caused
mjr_: ie. it would take 11ms for any information from NY to reach Chicago
mjr_: my favorite usage of HFT was the guy who used the speed of light to his advantage
mjr_: and most exchanges won't bust that trade for you
mjr_: if you get the ack back...its real
mjr_: total bs, and i don't know how you would do that
mjr_: yes changing attitudes is tough
mjr_: jurov: and if he was against HFT why would he provide API? it's practically the only use for it, besides building a pretty front end (although maybe you mean a slow bot?)
mjr_: i was going to ask about speed of executions...
mjr_: sometimes the Right Way is also the Hard Way, though, and even though it's well worth the value, adoption rate is important, so making the Right Way easier would be nice
mjr_: and i think you are doing things the Right Way
mjr_: i agree completely that encryption is vital
mjr_: yes, i just mean that typically pgp is not the easiest thing for most people
mjr_: LOL yes they certainly are
mjr_: do you think you could build encryption into the nic card and switch/router?