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asciilifeform: 'I wouldn't be willing to develop in javascript for $300k' << this goes back to the original point i was trying to make, when i mentioned hunting for flat (i generally don't discuss crap like this without a good reason) -
decimation: I wouldn't be willing to develop in javascript for $300k
kanzure: actually, i haven't :)
asciilifeform: kanzure: i'd be surprised if anyone here hasn't read (or lived!) 'mythical man-month'
decimation: he wouldn't of course; but when he retires the next young gun trying to cut the bottom line would
kanzure: (except it wasn't indians, it was vietnamese, and they were actually very good)
decimation: note, that this isn't exactly a 40 year career plan
decimation: but I don't think that is a large population
asciilifeform: but they aren't 'employees' in any sense
asciilifeform: i've yet to see a living case of this that wasn't in the 'pay 250 to live in range of the 300' territory.
decimation: there are many details missing here, but it seems to me that kanzure is basically saying that big gov't/corps are willing to pay $100x to get what they could otherwise pay $x to get
asciilifeform: kanzure: the way i understand it, this is not how markets actually work. if i'm the only one who knows how to build xxx, i don't get to collect $maxint for building an xxx. simply, xxx doesn't get made.
kanzure: not-highly-unique but really as soon as you know more than a handful of things, you're already likely something that doesn't exist somewhee else in aggregate
asciilifeform: i don't dispute that there live unique specialists who are paid $xxx k for something that could be described as 'engineering.' but most of them are on some kind of physical leash, however long.
asciilifeform: with the latter defined by 'doing anything that you would not do if you didn't have to'
decimation: I guess I just don't see the offers on dice.com or whatever
kanzure: and you don't have to know the right people in advance, but you do eventually have to meet someone
kanzure: hmm i don't know about easily, things do take "work"
kanzure: the only problem with this conversation is that i can't figure out why would you want to be employed (of all people)
asciilifeform: decimation: 20 yrs. ago it wasn't an obviously stupid thing to do
asciilifeform: kanzure: the poll (even if we assume that every answer was truthful and representative of something) isn't particularly useful, because it lumps in things which are quite unlike.
asciilifeform: 100k won't buy you a garret to starve in, there.
asciilifeform: high talent individuals go to silicon valley << world-renowned chumpatron. leaving aside the question of whether the folks there 'work' (in the sense of producing anything valuable) - they get sheared very properly, for much of what they make - at least the ones who wouldn't care to commute 4 hrs/day ☟︎
chetty: exactly, I don't blame the outside banks at all, its prudent
chetty: yeah doesn't stop much, but mostly lets you open bank accounts (banks outside us are afraid of americans these days)
asciilifeform: just as the escapee can't say 'i do not want to be in any database' and make it stick
asciilifeform: the fun part is, no one will force the buggers to honour the renounciation, if they don't want to
decimation: I don't think that actually works
asciilifeform: escape isn't impossible, but requires reaching 'escape velocity'
asciilifeform: decimation: i never said i wasn't a chump. but there are different species of chump.
moiety: the problem being the land that is free isn't easy to build on usually
asciilifeform: but it doesn't exactly work for most people.
asciilifeform: 'fish is what we don't have over at the fish counter'
asciilifeform: 'i have $xxxx.' 'sorry, you can't get - shit - for $xxxx' - or for '$xxxxx'
moiety: you can't get a credit card in the uk without a credit rating
asciilifeform: chumper 'buys' a house, wants to move, discovers that he'll be stuck paying for the rest of his natural life for a house he isn't living in
mircea_popescu: i don't get this "what hge paid" criterion.
asciilifeform: man wants to move - can't, because no one will pay for his building what he paid.
moiety: i would like to know how they expect you to build a credit rating when you can't get credit when you don't have a credit rating in the first place.
mircea_popescu: big dig wasn't nearly done yet
jborkl: Just don't assey them
mircea_popescu: but the silver ain't cool enough for school.
moiety: ;; later tell BingoBoingo i get now it was a joke, i didn't before.
mircea_popescu: yeah totally. couldn't before, since about 2011
ThickAsThieves: admittedly this hostility came after I linked her to https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCoQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wikihow.com%2FUse-There%2C-Their-and-They%27re&ei=E8ZAU76RAY-wsAT4hYHYAw&usg=AFQjCNFUDz_wqUzyiVCDFekwBoaqO20NWQ&sig2=0XULb0AYQMcseS7VzgO9Rg&bvm=bv.64125504,d.cWc
ThickAsThieves: to which she says (remember she's done commenting!) "I'm sure they will definitely be there to help me! Unfortunately they can't pick and choose who they help....I'm sure you would be on the NO help list!"
ThickAsThieves: "I'm no longer commenting on the dumbest topic I've heard in my life! This is ignorant! One day you will need the police for something and I hope they are not there to help you! You don't deserve the kindness that they put out in the community everyday! Go to court, hire a lawyer do whatever you want but plez post what happens when they laugh you out of there!"
cryptolemming: i don't think there's anything to worry about
cryptolemming: haven't noticed much panic, although haven't spent much time here either, everything seems fine otherwise
cryptolemming: can't help but assume the attention will begin to trickle down to entities such as just-dice, don't know enough to know if they'd even really care about something so relatively small.
mircea_popescu: it wouldn't be political to issue threats in any case. i guess they didn't get what they wanted and are considering their options.
mircea_popescu: just absolutely incredible, i mean people may occasionally get the idea that their car doesn't need gasoline to run, not really. so they run it on whatever, toluene
mircea_popescu: pankkake: I wouldn't have an issue with a global paywall. if I have to register to every website, fuck it << this man hates freedom!
mircea_popescu: his is a clever system, you aren't paying to read the article forever; you're paying for the request to the server (which might happen multiple times per article if you keep going back to re-read) << actuallyt, you can reload the article x times and it won't cut further credits.
mircea_popescu: doesn't mean he despises the beasts nao.
benkay: 22 years old, significant fraction of btc on deposit at bitstamp, engineer at facebook, can't diddle his dollas: http://rasmuzen.com/bitstamp
danielpbarron: because those things can't be forged..
punkman: that's why you don't invest in people that are trying to pump&dump reputation at BTCJam
danielpbarron: all the trust in the world doesn't make up for woefully incompetent business plans, which describes almost all Bitcoin scams
thestringpuller: scamming isn't really a good business model
punkman: the wot doesn't make decisions for you
danielpbarron: you aren't eBay
danielpbarron: eBay doesn't need to WoT because they are already trusted
danielpbarron: twizt: legic companies can't
danielpbarron: i wouldn't sell to anyone outside as that would attract state attention
danielpbarron: that's in past tense; i don't go back there (they are a false church)
punkman: I really prefer sheep/goat to cow milk, but can't find any consistent supply
punkman: found the most delicious sheep's milk today, non-homogenized, 6% fat, and doesn't smell like sheep ass
punkman: !t h rent
cgcardona_: ah yes good point. I don't mean to spam the channel. sorry bout that
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !t}
danielpbarron: i don't want to give some stranger my credit card number to read an article
pankkake: I wouldn't have an issue with a global paywall. if I have to register to every website, fuck it
danielpbarron: his is a clever system, you aren't paying to read the article forever; you're paying for the request to the server (which might happen multiple times per article if you keep going back to re-read)
Apocalyptic: but then don't ruin it by arguing with me what "public key" means
kakobrekla: <danielpbarron> i don't trust fiat-based business ideas anymore; done with it < BAT U GOTSTA DIVERSIFUCK
danielpbarron: i don't trust fiat-based business ideas anymore; done with it
kakobrekla: !t h neobeeq
mikaeldice: I didn't read the article, but a cursory glance at the title ensures me that yes, it must be true.
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !t}
benkay: hoarder's won't starve, misconceiving bitcoin will kill you is that the gist?
danielpbarron: (i don't mean that isn't my twitter account, it is)
danielpbarron: don't trust me
danielpbarron: but investing isn't about making money for most individuals; they are happy just to participate
danielpbarron: eh, i'm giving them too much credit, he didn't come off that well in his own forum thread; they had adequate warning
[KS]: mircea_popescu: I see your point, but it's an improper use of the word "scam". A scam is a fraud. A good corp in a bad market is just that. You made a bad investment and calling it a scam is just shifting the blame. Of course, don't try to explain them word things to "investors".
jurov: And I can't do the travelling,freelancing and squatting nomad either, attractive it may be.
Apocalyptic: *didn't
Apocalyptic: now that's beside the point, maybe they did, maybe they don't
Apocalyptic: and that is shouldn't be underestimated, as it tremendously often is
jurov: that can't be split from each other
Apocalyptic: I didn't see that in the piece
jurov: But I don't want to surround me with people I secretly despise!
MisterE: friend of mine got tazed because cops were there when he got home and he couldn't believe it
locksmith: but I don't live in the states
mircea_popescu: don't they have common law marriage where you live ?
mircea_popescu: this "ima get married cause everyone else is" nonsense obviously can't work any better than "i'ma '''invest''' cause the rest of reddit thinks so"
locksmith: heard of a married couple the other day hasn't had sex in 4 years
mircea_popescu: they should be feminists. woman in a harem eats a degree of magnitude more clam than snail. god help her if she doesn't like girls.
mircea_popescu: most annoying feminists i saw are butthurt cause you can't really make their boobs out among all the spare tires.