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mircea_popescu: it's how
the civilisation engine has been working so far yes.
BitHub: there is shit stuff of course you have
to look out for but i only get
the best pirated stuff
BitHub: and its
the same quality
BitHub: i just love going
to china
town and buying 10 ray ban sunnies for
the price of 1
BitHub: bought some for like 50$ sounds exactly
the same, same chinese factory
that's why
mircea_popescu: typical of
the interaction between a more advanced and a less advanced civilisation
BitHub: better off going
there and buying up and bringing a years worth back
pigeons: im more worried about shipping sunglasses from china
than ordering from silk road
BitHub: sold
them back
to my friends at like 500% profits
mircea_popescu: this is
the underpinning of free markets : being able
to evaluate what you buy and what you pay for it.
BitHub: pirated shit is
the best
pigeons: and
truth is me and many other will happily pay less for
the "fake" shoes
mircea_popescu: we'd be looking at a muchly different us balance of
trade
pigeons: no marketing? how will we bring bitcoin
to wall street?
mircea_popescu: so in general, until marketing can be outlawed completely,
trademarking is a bandaid
mircea_popescu: then when i say superior people misunderstand me,
thus making me explain.
mircea_popescu: the association of shitproduct with "superior" damages
the word superior
pigeons: if you pass yourself off as something you're not,
that is fraud
to me
mircea_popescu: to
the detriment of everyone else. it's a society-wide language-wide externality.
mircea_popescu: basically, marketing consists on
trying
to extract value from a word.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform
trademarks are really just a way
to prevent idiots from abusing "some" names.
bgupta: It however could have been in worse.. and
they could have affirmed
the validity of sfotware patents
Bugpowder: I
think it is being read fairly broadly by
the community
bgupta: wait
that didn't have blanket applicability
the supreme court specifically made a very narrow ruling deferring
the question of patentability for a future court/case
Bugpowder: provides an additional
test for KO software only claims
Bugpowder: Ruling is
that
the software must interact with a physical machine
pigeons: any attempt
to use force
to control ideas is
trolling
bgupta: When was
that? I
thought
that it was still up in
the air?
mircea_popescu: you may patent
the process, you may not patent
the result, inasmuch as
the result is a plant
mircea_popescu: in
this reading any attempt
to patent anything
to do with gmo is patent
trolling.
dub: apple is a user
troll
Bugpowder: bgupta:
The Bilski ruling has invalidated most software only patents
BitHub: apple is one of life's
trolls
mircea_popescu: a patent
troll is any entity which seeks
to enrich itself by denominating and
thus proposing
to have captured anything which exists outside of and independent of
their efforts.
pigeons: i would say apple existing is a
troll
Bugpowder: I would say Apple suing Samsung, or Carnegie Mellon suing Marvell is not a patent
troll.
bgupta: patent is fine, except where it was extended in
term, and applied
to sfotware and business methods.
benkay: bugpowder ooh with mutagenesis awesome i need sauce
tho
pigeons: trademark abuse i
think should be prosecuted under fraud and is a valid form of ip
Bugpowder: A patent
troll is someone who sues a large number of possibly infringing defendents, many small businesses, who lack
the funds
to defend
themselves, and
thus seek
to shake down
these defendents for a settlement
that is slightly less
than
the cost of fighting it
thru dismissal
pigeons: patent
troll = anyone who files afucking patent
Bugpowder: Let me suggest an alternative formulation of patent
troll.
Bugpowder: asciilifeform:
That is false in a contingency case.
smickles: asciilifeform: sounds like you are
talking about any court case
Bugpowder: benkay,
the combination of selective breeding with
targeted mutagenesis is MUCH more effective at increasing yield, quality AND adapting
to pests.
benkay: and whoopee congratulations, we're so efficient in america
that we got some *great* results by doing some weird stuff and
then grew
that everywhere. instant monoculture
Bugpowder: There are plenty of plaintiff side contingency firms
that will
take your patent case if you have a valid claim and a decent damages model.
mircea_popescu: if you
think riaa is making artitsts be paid you're perhaps going on wishful
thinking
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder i fail
to see a difference between patent
trolls and any other ip rights
trolls.
Bugpowder: asciilifeform: I have some knowledge of
the fields in which I invite debate.
Bugpowder: benkay, what is
the difference between "genomics" and
trying
to "engineer nature"
benkay: instead of
trying
to engineer nature
Bugpowder: why is a patent
troll bad?
They monetize intellectual property so small inventors can collect on people
that rip
them off, with reduced risk.
benkay: someone's going
to get insanely wealthy using genomics
to breed better corn
Bugpowder: I
thought patent
trolls are people
that sue
that are not acutally using
the patent, NPEs for example.
vampireb: (reminds myself
to go
to gym
tomorrow)
vampireb: i am quiet sure
that humans adapted
to food
too in
the last 100 years... well look at all
these fatties in US
vampireb: men russian stores are fine here,
though
these are jewish russian anyway
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mircea_popescu: the jewish deli still
the best way
to get edible food in ny
Bugpowder: does anyone here
think GMO is bad?
Bugpowder: The
truth is is
that we live in an surveliannce state, BUT
the watchers are pretty lazy, like most humans.
bgupta: at least with it unofficial
they had
to
think
twice about using info
they weren't supposed
to have
bgupta: dub: Yeah: Unofficially, now
they are pushing really hard
to make it official.. :(