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diana_coman: asciilifeform: and if it's not clear, this is not about my rk, the tiny-worth, no; it's mainly because I really don't want to move about s.mg servers again, it's been quite an intense week that post-pizarro implosion one.
asciilifeform: the 'solvent' part imho is satisfied by even draft 1. the 'expand' i think deserves more space.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: mk: what do you plan to do to fully populate the rack and over what timeframe?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-18 09:33:16 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-17#1946136 << yup, and once he chases a different skirt in a week or two again, "problems" again and so on.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: re why "for customers", it's a matter of continuity mainly ie how do you plan to actually make this solvent & grow; or don't you plan this? (related: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-18#1946258)
asciilifeform: 'this is rubbish, not a proper plan' is not an eggog that i can work from, diana_coman . need detailed 'why, idjit, didntcha explain x?'
asciilifeform: but will have to be specific crit, like mp_en_viaje's.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: if it wasn't clear from thrd, i intend to give the askers what they are asking.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: for that matter how do you know "dozens of btc"; and maybe I just love trinque, what.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: no; it's simple focus of ONE discussion: why do you care whether X got his bashing yet or not; how is that relevant to what people are asking of you?
diana_coman: asciilifeform: what does it take for you to stop once and for all the "but x ALSO didn't /did Y"? sure, bash the x who did/didn't if they deserve it, by all means, but that is on them and nothing to do with you, ugh.
asciilifeform: if it takes 5 writes -- than 5 writes.
asciilifeform: i'ma rewrite that thing until it actually satisfies all of the prospective inhabitants, would like to start the commercial life of the thing asap.
asciilifeform: that being said, if diana_coman has specific 'what about x', plox to comment, i'ma address in 2nd draft along w/ mp_en_viaje's crit.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-21 23:13:53 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: my intention is to fully supply the needs of l1, in a sustainable scheme, prior to any mega-expansions.
asciilifeform: and typically elaborate biz plans are written for ~investors~ rather than customers, afaik. imho it is reasonable for folx considering to park expensive irons to ask for 'how you plan to remain solvent', hence this thread. but 'how you plan to become rockefeller' is imho tall order. esp. since i've atm no plan to become rockefeller via this work.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-22 06:11:38 diana_coman: asciilifeform: nice to see the calculations for sure; let me add though that this draft is still not a business plan
asciilifeform: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947559 << diana_coman what, in your pov, is missing, that mp_en_viaje did not mention ? ( and incidentally did e.g. trinque ever publish biz plan / expense sheet for walletron? )
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-22 06:10:10 diana_coman: asciilifeform: since 1 IP per rack anyway, I don't quite see the sense in keeping this all the time separate and then pushed in as an add-on etc. I'd calculate the Te to include IPs enough for a full rack and that's it; sure, additional IPs are additional and then naturally add-ons but that's separate anyway.
asciilifeform: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947558 << i considered pre-ordering ( it'll be 62, 14 for 1us and 48 for rk plant, i.e. a /26 ) but that'd be 200/mo vs the current baseline 25, and hesitated to do this until rack actually populated by paying customers, it is steep cost for an empty-for-indefinite-time rack.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-22 06:06:50 diana_coman: asciilifeform: the monthly overhead at $50 seems rather low to me - did you do any sort of estimate re how much of your *time* this will eat? (only considering that you'll spend 40 minutes just going back and forth each time you need to physically go there and that probably assuming good traffic etc)
asciilifeform: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947557 << the idea was that time is amply compensated by the margin. (certainly w/ mp_en_viaje's 45% figure, it will be!)
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-22 02:32:27 mp_en_viaje: i also kinda like the idea of permitting each user to pick his own rng-hash-crypto key.
asciilifeform: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947552 << imho this is a+++ idea. tho as i understand all of the prngism applies strictly to /dev/urandom and so not particularly important how it is wired, no one in his right mind will use urandom for anyffin serious
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-22 02:29:31 mp_en_viaje: http://bvt-trace.net/2019/10/fg-fed-linux-rng/ << the most important q here is, are we going to mandate serpent ? or are we going to permit legacy sha1/chacha ?
asciilifeform: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947549 << asciilifeform is partial to serpent , but strictly because actually had a chance to do some analysis of it ; and dislikes sha for the obv. reason, and chacha ditto for the reason of originating from post-brainrot bernstein. but theoretically all of these snake oils are equally snake oils, and difficult to argue against the standard 'drink t
asciilifeform: other omissions in the draft include FG -- i dun presently have a 'equip erryone who asks' supply of'em here. can equip mp_en_viaje & co, but others will have to wait for wat-do re recovery of FG from piz crater
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: nitpick to commentary posted.
mp_en_viaje: (speaking of which, the misadventures of young Rıza Sarraf might be of some amusment to republican readership)
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/the-spitroast-cheap-whore-storage-the-lonely-tower-winter-skies-gashcz-and-the-peach-juicer-you-sort-it-out/ << Trilema -- The Spitroast, Cheap Whore Storage, The Lonely Tower, Winter Skies, Gash.CZ and The Peach Juicer -- you sort it out.
mp_en_viaje: sadly that'll stay so
diana_coman: there is no good hash though, only not-known-yet-as-bad
mp_en_viaje: we know that's ~slow
mp_en_viaje: the fast hash has to be FAST ; while the good hash has to be GOOD. this trumps e) in any case.
mp_en_viaje: anyway, i suppose the logical next step is for the remarkably productive bvt to do some benchmarking re speed of possible candidates (a list including atm the chacha and serpent -- knowledgeable folk feel free to propose more candidates) so as to have some practical basis.
diana_coman: and wtf did I do there 1 & b, ugh.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-22 06:24:44 mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, a) to avoid the sha1-powered contraction ; b) to reject, discontinue and clearly mark as untenable pantsuit heritage ; c) to disrupt any possible legacy of usgistani shenanigans in the output ; d) to give meaning to the notion of computer identity ("a computer's key is the hash of the sig it uses to serpent its rng code") and e) for simplicity (one mechanism instead of two as now)
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947561 - I can see that; my thinking was not towards using sha1 but more towards permitting other-than-serpent mainly because 1. serpent is still snake-oil and only adopted-for-lack-of-better option afaik b. maybe tmsr makes its own hash function next year or something (ha!)
mp_en_viaje: and since doing this, hey spyked ? you ever been across ocean ?
mp_en_viaje: hm how the fuck did that work
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-22 06:31:20 mp_en_viaje: incidentally, mylord verschlimmbessert : how's the http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947499 notion sound ? either take a girl from home, have her do some nude work on the world's greatest beaches to spiffy up your blog illustration-wise ; or else i guess something can be provided locally.
mp_en_viaje: !Qlater tell bvt http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947565
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-22 00:57:27 mp_en_viaje: hey trinque, you feel like taking the tiny concert goer over to cr for a coupla weeks ? you pick up your own airfare ima cover your stay with the fellow.
mp_en_viaje: incidentally, mylord verschlimmbessert : how's the http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947499 notion sound ? either take a girl from home, have her do some nude work on the world's greatest beaches to spiffy up your blog illustration-wise ; or else i guess something can be provided locally.
ossabot: Logged on 2016-10-05 13:08:17 mircea_popescu: which is the point here : using ANYTHING made by usg.vc.* is risky, and opens one to various liabilities downstream. including among them - that you will be unwound.
ossabot: Logged on 2018-07-14 21:30:25 mircea_popescu: notice as in, you know, actually notice, "omfg i can't believe what a shithead i am, missed out on the financial bitcoin train and then on the political too, i truly am too stuipid to fucking live" and subsequently blow their brains out, as any sort of rational process absolutely dictates...
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, a) to avoid the sha1-powered contraction ; b) to reject, discontinue and clearly mark as untenable pantsuit heritage ; c) to disrupt any possible legacy of usgistani shenanigans in the output ; d) to give meaning to the notion of computer identity ("a computer's key is the hash of the sig it uses to serpent its rng code") and e) for simplicity (one mechanism instead of two as now)
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-18 13:08:52 diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: I am all for hosting it with asciilifeform but tbh I would very much want him to publish an actual business plan on his blog.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: nice to see the calculations for sure; let me add though that this draft is still not a business plan
diana_coman: asciilifeform: since 1 IP per rack anyway, I don't quite see the sense in keeping this all the time separate and then pushed in as an add-on etc. I'd calculate the Te to include IPs enough for a full rack and that's it; sure, additional IPs are additional and then naturally add-ons but that's separate anyway.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: the monthly overhead at $50 seems rather low to me - did you do any sort of estimate re how much of your *time* this will eat? (only considering that you'll spend 40 minutes just going back and forth each time you need to physically go there and that probably assuming good traffic etc)
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: why mandate a specific hash function (esp given that there isn't any clear way to base such mandate on "this is best hashing")?
diana_coman: wow, nice work bvt! I'll need to re-read it a few times though.
mp_en_viaje: and thanks bvt, megaworks there.
mp_en_viaje: sorta gives meaning to computer identity, which... i dunno, seems nice.
mp_en_viaje: i also kinda like the idea of permitting each user to pick his own rng-hash-crypto key.
mp_en_viaje: plox to weigh in.
mp_en_viaje: http://bvt-trace.net/2019/10/fg-fed-linux-rng/ << the most important q here is, are we going to mandate serpent ? or are we going to permit legacy sha1/chacha ?
mp_en_viaje woke up early to publish trilema article, ended up reading other people's articles for 3 hours, not even done. lessee bvt's now!
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, sounds like you're rapunzel over there, woke up as if from spell.
BingoBoingo omitted from the notes post that I did during the closing chit chat bring up that "folks from my part of the US have a reputation for naivety, to the point some go so far as to call us rubes" as we discussed the insanity of common law systems.
asciilifeform returns to horiz. pos.
mp_en_viaje: fucking bullshit, i should have my shocks fucked because someone else ~might~ speed over your children. go talk to that someone else, not to me.
asciilifeform: aite, will then post mp_en_viaje's crit manually when wake up. ( and eat into draft 2, lotsa good point )
mp_en_viaje: i'm one hair away from buying fucking ww2 de-mining tank, to fuck up all the "speed bumps" i run into, also.
asciilifeform: can persuade mp_en_viaje to xor ?
mp_en_viaje: nfi, i never fill those in.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: for my debuggification, what was the xor prompt when got 'wrong' ?
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=QGNb << there you go.
mp_en_viaje: o fuck me, the idiotic "captcha nonsense".
mp_en_viaje: fucking lost it, ima wake up prageu laUGHING, what the fuck is wrong with you
mp_en_viaje: yo asciilifeform : i hit the comment, your blog says "Wrong"
trinque: in other and related news, ressurected trinque.org . will get the url rewriting fixed tomorrow
trinque: mp_en_viaje and billymg, thanks for the offers! I just got in from a vacation, so I'll need to attend to things a while before another. but would love to!
asciilifeform deadly tired, will process all queued i/o when wakes up. bbl
BingoBoingo: There's a few pictures for the looking too
BingoBoingo: ^ With the late hour something has to suffer and what will suffer is proofreading. This is the Nth consecutive day I am ending exhausted and I like it.
feedbot: http://bingology.net/2019/10/22/notes-from-the-first-meeting-with-counsel/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- Notes From The First Meeting With Counsel
asciilifeform will rewrite, after processing all barf from the experts. sorta what 1st draft is for.
mp_en_viaje: never you mind that part.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: how come moldavia 35eu tho..
BingoBoingo: I felt less tension and stress every time I racked and unracked a 1U server solo versus any time I touched the Rockchip plant. I trust his new layout is better based on the picture and his experience being frustrated with the pilot plant, but once it fills... I suspect asciilifeform suffers from the same disease I do where I've consistently failed most of my life to assign value to my time and taken what was offered from the menu.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-21 23:28:17 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The actual physical machine aspect and the potential frustrations involved in the detailed fingerwork of handling RK drives and cables, suggests a price floor may be in order.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-21#1947432 << don't be an idiot and think WELL and CORRECTLY about the one guy with extensive tmsr dc experience here present is saying. are you SURE it's correctly priced ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-11 09:48:26 mp_en_viaje: and in other morning lulz, oh look! "ddos" failing both the d- and the -dos portions! YOU KNOW IT IS SUPPOSED TO DENY SERVICE RITE
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-21 23:26:11 asciilifeform: incl. 'bouncers', i want that 'ddos proof' claim tested sooner rather than later.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-21#1947428 << irc bouncers utterly ideal for this job, they attract the sorta limp dick "ddos" that separates the latechcos from the adults.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, is there on edge of the seat, falling asleep, waiting for me to get to his calculator thing. THE SHOE IS ON TEH OTHER FOOT NAO, HUH!!! you're gonna be asleep before i'm done with all this other stuff, huh! HUH!
billymg: sounds good, i hope to be there late january myself
mp_en_viaje: billymg, ima prolly be in africa/middle east this winter ; but defo coming back to cr prolly spring / summer at the latest, i dun so much like summer in yurp.
billymg: mp_en_viaje: you read my mind, was thinking it could serve as a lord's retreat spot. trinque or anyone else in l1 would certainly be welcome
billymg: it's all a huge departure from show up at office terminal, collect bezzle -- so i'm expecting a learning curve
mp_en_viaje: hey trinque, you feel like taking the tiny concert goer over to cr for a coupla weeks ? you pick up your own airfare ima cover your stay with the fellow.
billymg: and then i suppose i'll have to see how much i have in me wrt the latter
billymg: first the former, until i get myself oriented
mp_en_viaje: or kicking everything out, installing own harem in there, castle billy mountain goat & his merry ewes ?
mp_en_viaje: do you intend to continue using it as a bnb sorta thing ?
BingoBoingo: billymg: ty, putting finishing touches on the lawyer notes
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-21 23:17:09 BingoBoingo: billymg: upload your site's files an a .sql dump. Once that's done ping me and I'll breath life into it. Probably tomorrow.
mp_en_viaje: funny breed of russky-kretuzes, too. big tits on slender waifs.