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mircea_popescu: yeah but that doesn't fit ;/
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you can synch time on a non-networked server using a GPS/GLONASS/Beidou-1 receiver
mircea_popescu: jurov is it the case right now or was it in the past ?
mircea_popescu: now that's rare wtf.
jurov: but it even diverges from time given in stat header
benkay: do you have something available for ntp to peer to?
mircea_popescu: basically you're stuck synching to mpex rather than expecting real time having any impact
mircea_popescu: jurov because the server does not have an internet connection.
benkay: he's probably yelling at the monkeys
jurov: mircea_popescu, ur timewarp enginez are misaligned ^^^
jurov: i'm pulling my hair out over an issue that boils down to trade execution dates few second before the orders were placed
Namworld: [16:06] <mircea_popescu> i need someone to code me a mmorpg
benkay: and if you stay in the pre-calculated space you might be able to avoid re-running the sims
mircea_popescu: i need someone to code me a mmorpg
benkay: "just run monte carlos over the whole space and optimize for availability of future paths"
benkay: also i have yet to see it run in real time
benkay: I have a feeling that parameterizing the space and understanding how the engine works is vastly more useful than any existing software package
benkay: also on the entropica topic
truff1es: of today
truff1es: k thanks
asciilifeform: most commercial software may as well have this nonsense printed on the box. it is certainly there, between the lines.
truff1es: <benkay> there's a log now>>> where?
mircea_popescu: wtf is this shit
benkay: wants to play
benkay: yeah what is this entropica
mircea_popescu: However, your Mac running OS X or PC running Linux that meet the hardware system requirements for Entropia Universe may also be able to run Microsoft Windows, the operating system needed to run the Entropia Universe client software.
mircea_popescu: The Entropia Universe client is designed to operate on Microsoft compatible PC:s running Microsoft Windows as an operating system. It is not designed to run natively under Mac OS X or Linux.
asciilifeform: (outside the academia pesthole, but even then, by far not always)
asciilifeform: but in a few dark corners of the world, results actually matter
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: trust me, I know
benkay: they don't understand the costs of institutionally embedded knowledge either
mircea_popescu: because they get most of their income from pretending those students doing boring shit are "gaining"
mircea_popescu: t\hey don't really WANT to replace the students
asciilifeform: most of the operations in high-throughput pharma screening are repetitive
asciilifeform: (e.g. you don't have to measure the physical objects and fit them to a coordinate grid)
asciilifeform: except that in this particular case it works better
asciilifeform: just that
asciilifeform: given that the robot goes for $250K
asciilifeform: almost everyone seems to prefer grad students pushing pipettes, though
asciilifeform: I actually sell a replacement for the latter in one of my day jobs: http://www.molboxllc.com/products.html
asciilifeform: at least in the pharma sector.
asciilifeform: the hardware is superb, the vendor software: abysmal.
mircea_popescu: except they do everything pretty much.
asciilifeform: btw, industrial robots are an instructive example, because in some fields they are available, but it is very difficult to get people to trust them for all but the simplest operations
asciilifeform: and not at all like the ideal solid you see on the CAD screen
asciilifeform: other than the fact that real-world materials behave in all kinds of interesting ways
asciilifeform: the next day he brings in two pieces
asciilifeform: example: my colleague prints an iphone cradle, brings in five attempts. the phone fits in the fifth, but only because he threw in the towel and took a hand file to it
asciilifeform: even speaking solely of plastic objects where materials strength is unimportant, the main issue appears to be warping/distortion
mircea_popescu: ie, yuou need brains to climb stairs.
asciilifeform: i.e. you need actual brains to make a useful object, to spec
mircea_popescu: clunky, hopeless things.
mircea_popescu: i tell you, originally they thought the same of industrial robots.
asciilifeform: I wouldn't say "ever", but it is about the same as home CNC machining
asciilifeform: my argument isn't that solid printing is a waste of time (it is an interesting hobby) but that it is unlikely to displace industrial production for any everyday object
asciilifeform: re: 3d printers: I work with a guy who is a serious solid printing enthusiast (five figure investment in various attempts, and most of his spare time.) he prints objects like phone charging cradles and parts for model aircraft.
asciilifeform: damn, went off to meatspace for a spell and missed all the fun here.
ThickAsThieves: cryto-trade.com was supposed to be a BTC-e competitor, but now it seems it was about as scammy as we thought
mircea_popescu: tho the "mmo" idiots beat up in btc moved there, and it's prolly going to be the internet marketeer reservation
ThickAsThieves: so the question is, which, if any, altcoin is the "real" altcoin
kakobrekla: or when was the last alt chain hype
mircea_popescu: btc-e is pretty much the reason nobody takes alts seriously
kakobrekla: seems this alt chain thingy comes in cycles
ThickAsThieves: they can even make money pumping the alts too, it just seems like it's a house of cards
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves pretty much the pump and dump they're running
cads: benkay: lets talk more about 3dp later - I think there is a great future in personal desktop-based manufacturing, and it seems like 3dp is positioned to bring it to the consumer. There are lots of points of contention I'd love to chat about, but I gotta jet.
ThickAsThieves: one day on all the alts.
ThickAsThieves: i had a thought about altcoin manipulaiton today, it seems that every new altcoin that pops up, magically has buyers on BTC-E. I wonder if it'd be feasible to support new coins so as to keep the difficulty low on the one coin you really want to control and prop up later, like litecoin. You get everyone to move their hashes elsewhere, and then keep reaping LTC, then you pull the plug
ThickAsThieves: guess we'll have to just wait for diablocoins
mircea_popescu: tbh the no-relay-fee is probably the grossest fundamental oversight in the design of bitcoin
mircea_popescu: consequently there's no way to outcompete dust txs, cause you don't pay a fee to be relayed
mircea_popescu: ah, actually, there is a reason
mircea_popescu: im not sure why they're not just letting the tx fee decide
ThickAsThieves: or porn in the code!
jurov: you can research what was the motivation in ltc case, maybe it was really spam
ThickAsThieves: maybe to prevent some kind of spam attack?
ThickAsThieves: it seems like something theyll end up removing in the future, so why add it
benkay: just barely less than a cent today
ThickAsThieves: meh i guess i dont really care about the answer
benkay: cut time is lols for plastic
benkay: print time vastly exceeds cut time
mircea_popescu: i think we all seen that ?
cads: Yep. the print time of a part scales with the part's volume. The milling time of a contoured part scales with the amount of material removed, but more importantly, with the feature count of the surface produced.
benkay: let the printer do the complex geometry
benkay: carve off the bits you need for dimensional correctness with a mill
benkay: print the big form
kakobrekla: nobody does that
cads: asciilifeform: this is not true - for a well tuned commercial printer, the process of turning a 3d design into gcode is almost trivial. Coding g-code for a cnc mill is amazingly hard for high complexity parts, and often requires the production of specialized tooling and setup costs for each new part you produce
mircea_popescu: identity management will be larger than engineering.
mircea_popescu: nope, that's it.
benkay: mircea_popescu GPG identity management services will eclipse the engineering payroll? o.O please correct my interpretation of what you said on the other side of that link
cads: it's also misleading to say that 3d printers require the same CAD/CAM work that mills require
cads: appplications for 3d printing are amazingly wide ranging. The cubify is a mass produced unit in the $1200 range, intended for crafts and hobbies, school classrooms, children, and so on.
cads: this is like judging bitcoin solely on the characteristics of its use in the silk road.
cads: and the whole topic is only for lunatics
cads: what I heard was a lot about printing guns, without any mention of things like the thingiverse, the form 1, makerbot industry's successes, the fact that the staples is rolling out a 3d printer that will be sold from their stores (the cubify offering).
jurov: and thus obviously nobody is interested in accepting them
jurov: i tried to point out that shitcoins are akin to banknotes that you can remotely tamper with their value
mircea_popescu: if anyone missed it, the latest debate with datskovskiy is raging even now http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/some-basic-discussion-of-bitcoin-macroeconomy/#comment-93049
asciilifeform: granted, there is quite a leap from Lilienfeld's cupric oxide transistor to kitchen table VLSI. but it seems like a promising idea to investigate.