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jurov: on
the premise
that if workers rule, economyu will soar
jurov: except
that
this kind of communism was very far from "liber"... it was conceived
to go
through dictatorship of proletariate
mircea_popescu: and conceivably if you were in a position
to know what rich people benefited most from, you'd be rich yourself already
mircea_popescu: b0n1
the fact
that you don't understand it doesn't mean it doesn't make senSe.
b0n1: mircea_popescu,
that doesnt make sence.
The global players would profit most from pushing prices
mircea_popescu: and ends up in a horror, which
then
the libertarda claim is distinct from "their ideal"
mircea_popescu: every instance of communism starts out as an attempt
to implement
the intellectualy bankrupt "ideas" of
the libertards
jurov: benkay,
that was how it ended
benkay: all of
the propaganda was just...propaganda.
benkay: i
thought easter european communism was a front
to enrich a small number of people
mircea_popescu: b0n1
to punish noobs who
think bitcoin is a get rich scheme and
they can ride
the bandwagon.
jurov: benkay, whole eastern european communism was anti-hedonistic and purported
to maximize usage of "productive energy"
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu do you have evidence
that shows otherwise
benkay: if fewer monkeys wasted
their lives writing crap
they could staff factories
b0n1: why do
they lock it so low?
mircea_popescu: it sounds
to me like "if you shat less you could cum more"
benkay: what are you
two objecting
to?
that
the energy could be deployed in a useful way? or
that any energy is diverted?
b0n1: I dont understand why
the big influencers are not
trying
to push
the prices and lock
them afterwards
benkay: and
therefore attract a huge amount of what could otherwise be productive energy
benkay: but
that
they are successful by some metric
benkay: i'm not claiming
those works are any good
b0n1: yaeh mircea_popescu its a bit sad because it shows how strong manipulative
the market is
jurov: benkay i seem
to "deliberately misunderstand"
too...
benkay: some of
those
tomes become popular by no virtue of
their writers
mircea_popescu: and for
that matter
the fact
that some guy walks on
two legs doth not a human make, either.
benkay: and what I meant by 'writing a play is easy' is literally
that putting words on paper is a
trivial
thing for a monkey who's been
taught english
to accomplish.
b0n1: you often see big walls appearing when prices move
too much and
they disappear suddenly
benkay: but
they produce cultural
things
they
themselves enjoy, and
the fame
that accrues
to
the individuals involved is a draw for
the other "playwrights"
b0n1: it seems like someone is
trying
to keep
the prices constant atm
mircea_popescu: (tho i guess cat on a hot
tin roof may make a claim
there)
mircea_popescu: the entire population of
the united states has not yet produced a pasible play.
mircea_popescu: just because
the us has finally given up after
two cventuries of
trying
to build a culture
benkay: *might* explain
the misallocation.
benkay: but because plays are easy
to write relative
to building a business, and
the fame rewards are so outsize,
that would explain
the misallocation
benkay: I don't really know where I'm going with
this, other
than
there's gotta be a coupling factor between how much energy
to put into plays and books and how much
to put into building useful shit.
benkay: but also keep it expensive enough
that it's actually a
treat
benkay: we want
to encourage enough hedonic development
to inspire people
to
take over
the world so
they can experience crazy fun stuff
benkay: there's a balance
there, right?
benkay: which, great, but
there's more
to life
benkay: if no hedonics exist, i'm basically limited
to finding new holes for my dick
benkay: and now i want
to experience some fun
benkay: but i've spent so much
time building shit
mircea_popescu: <benkay> except
that it consumes bandwidth
that should go
towards building shit <<
benkay: mircea_popescu zero consession
to hedonics?
taub_: would be
too obvious if
they owned it
taub_: oh mircea_popescu btw, pump and dump doesnt always happen by
the people who own
the company
benkay: what's
the strict civilizational pov?
mircea_popescu: nevertheless,
the content of books endures longer
than
the shape of buildings.
benkay: jurov: watching PR's posts alone will be gold.
thanks for
the link/suggestion :)
benkay: not
that anyone cares what
the kid
thinks
benkay: except
that it consumes bandwidth
that should go
towards building shit
benkay: once
they start exposing
their kinks
mircea_popescu: there's
this fallacious expectation
that liberal and innovation go
together
benkay: I didn't
think we were arguing
benkay: and most are
trampled under foot
benkay: some fight
their way
to it
benkay: because
the world is constructed of power structures
that were here before you and I and will be here after you and i
benkay: but we *can* evaluate
their claims without dipping into ad-hominems
benkay: the objected-to point is
that people get bonuses for not working
benkay: that dude's a dude and
therefore it's easier for him
to build and run a company
than me, a woman
benkay: now now
that's a vast oversimplification
mircea_popescu: priviledge =
that guy worked while i dicked about, now he has shit
mircea_popescu: the girl is expertly bringing
the recent lefty driftwood
to boiling point
jurov: my brain is used
to it, i was raised as catholic.. but i forgot somewhat
jurov: the bubble reality it
tries
to create... made me cringe
jurov: today i happened
to read catholic newspaper my parents keep buying
benkay: yeah. still
talking about
that grow
the fuck up shit.
benkay: i am extremely
tired of gender and sexuality politics
benkay: jurov, i wasn't saying
that it would be effective, just
that i might be able
to get behind it
benkay: except
that i can delete others orders
jurov: if peeps, say, boycotted
TV or like,
that could cause something
to happen
MJR_: i should commit
this now
MJR_: so what do you
think benkay?
MJR_: and it will be ready
to go for monday (rough but functional)
MJR_: all i need now is
to get user_accounts working
MJR_: links
to github and blog
jurov: okay it works.. (not vtunnel but other
thing i'm using for
trilema)
benkay: sun
times probably blacklisted europe or something hilarious
jurov: yes, but it refuses
to load
newmorpheus007: who want
to get
together and make a anonymous exchange for crytocurrency?
backupgribble: nanotube was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 weeks, 6 days, 20 hours, 32 minutes, and 45 seconds ago: <nanotube> well, if
there are no mutually
trusted
third parties, i guess
this is a non-starter.