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mircea_popescu: MPOE-PR um did they nix their system already? trust stuff no longer shows up under ppls names
mircea_popescu: meanwhile back at the ranch
TradeFortress: I should probably make a post in the donators section about it
mircea_popescu: so then how'd she rate josh, i never bought bfl crud.
TradeFortress: I think it's supposed to be actually scamming
mircea_popescu: well, that's vague.
TradeFortress: yes, I might lose my default trust status if theymos doesn't like it
mircea_popescu: you see a problem with that plan ?
mircea_popescu: all this on 0 btc because it's not a trading acct.
mircea_popescu: then +1 the few people who actually aren't idiots in there
mircea_popescu: -1 everyone on the immense scammer list
mircea_popescu: go back through her posting history, -1 everyone "starting up" dumbass businesses she had to drop a see here post to, linking to that post
mircea_popescu: and since you can introduce 0 btc as risked i think i'm going to make it be something like this :
mircea_popescu: i'm still working out the rules. i see there's a reference field, which is nice.
TradeFortress: Well, is she going to leave negative feedback (which would result in a giant red warning on people's posts) for inaba/josh and such
mircea_popescu: i don't see anything massively wrong with it tbh.
mircea_popescu: okay, i[m going to get the girl to do it.
TradeFortress: so far the only default ratings are me or people I trusted :P
TradeFortress: assuming that people actually use it
mircea_popescu: this is actually a pretty smart way to go about it.
mircea_popescu: i think pretty much everyone trust's nanotube tree by defgault in wot and still there's muich variance and no true global.
TradeFortress: and if you trust anyone you no longer trust theymos by default.
TradeFortress: mircea_popescu, that's true, I was referring to the people who would leave everything as defaults
mircea_popescu: no, because even if they trust theymos' tree by default, just bvy adding a couple other users they get very diff end results
TradeFortress: mircea_popescu, but for people who don't change defaults there's just one rating
mircea_popescu: anyway, if it's 3 it will diverge rapidly, there won't really be a global rating.
mircea_popescu: lol 0-3 so 2 is 3 mkay. theymos is so weird in places.
TradeFortress: 95% of forum users won't change defaults through, so there is kinda a global rating.
mircea_popescu: TradeFortress but positive/negative to your account so diff people see diff coloring ?
mircea_popescu: (you saw this ?)
mircea_popescu: well the one thing they did right is they took away the [1,10] cruft
TradeFortress: On forum posts, those with a positive trust rating has a green color, and those with a negative rating gets a red warning.
TradeFortress: lol, funny thing is you used to get a database error if you tride to access that page without logging in
mircea_popescu: i don't have an acct. pastebin that page please ?
TradeFortress: no graphs but I requested that
mircea_popescu: like that graph
gribble: Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user TradeFortress: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 1 connections. Graph: http://serajewelks.bitcoin-otc.com/trustgraph.php?source=mircea_popescu&dest=TradeFortress
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust TradeFortress
mircea_popescu: (ie, who trusted who, something like
mircea_popescu: is there some way to actually check the web of trust behind the rating ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, so back to the trust thing on bitcointalk (i'm trying to discern if i'm going to add using it to the girl's workload)
mircea_popescu: TradeFortress yeah, but lots of people of this sort : http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/youre-the-guy-who-wasnt-good-enough-to-sling-dope/
TradeFortress: mircea_popescu, through lots of people have came to lots of different conclusions. typical doublespeak stuff.
mircea_popescu: somebody should tell that fucktard he's completely misread the fincen clarification
TradeFortress: the actual Trust: number is some weird undisclosed algorithm that takes in account risked BTCs, age and whatever
mircea_popescu: yeah. but what it displays is the actual sum total of trust ratings
TradeFortress: You can build your own web of trust, and see different scores to other people.
TradeFortress: and people who theymos trusted's trusted people matter. only up to this level unless you change yoru setting.
TradeFortress: and because it's a web, people who theymos trusts's feedback matter.
TradeFortress: There is the "default" score. If you trust no one (which you do at first), you trust theymos
mircea_popescu: did i misunderstand that line ?
mircea_popescu: wait i thought that what it was, a global score ? as in 0/-0 we
TradeFortress: there's also the difference where instead of score it's based on risked btc
TradeFortress: Pretty much. No global scores, which forces people to not look at the sum and actually at individual ratings
mircea_popescu: so basically it actually works like the wot.
TradeFortress: But you can trust smoothie for example and then smoothie's feedback will count
Chaang-Noi: it shows by default in the market place section right?
TradeFortress: while not escaping user inputs, leading to a XSS where some attacker can steal his session
TradeFortress: Other user's feedback aren't shown by default. theymos did obviously
TradeFortress: Involved as in theymos trusted me, and because of the way it works my feedback is shown by default
Chaang-Noi: it is more or less forced if you post in the market place section
mircea_popescu: TradeFortress hey, you involved wiuth the new trust thing on btctalk ?
Chaang-Noi: yes we tested longer and harder than the btc people do...
Chaang-Noi: you will see a major release soon as we are done testing
Chaang-Noi: <TradeFortress> mjr_, yeah, but there's pretty much zero development. not true, ltc is just avoind the fuck ups btc ran into and will avoid the bad database thing and not get forked
Chaang-Noi: <TradeFortress> there are people actively working on litecoin and namecoin? litecoins yes, namecoin im not so sure
Chaang-Noi: yeah, why pay taxes? tax avoidance is the correct thing to do
TradeFortress: mjr_, yeah, but there's pretty much zero development.
mjr_: TradeFortress: i think there are people mining them no?
mjr_: and they were at the conference
TradeFortress: Ripple threads even invaded the donators section
mjr_: i'm done thinking of it
mjr_: yes, i have basically put ripple to bed in my mind
TradeFortress: Re: Ripple trying to take over the Bitcoin Discussion thread "
TradeFortress: mjr_, ESPECIALLY when the topic is called "
mjr_: LOL ^^^ THIS
mjr_: There's a tendency for every Ripple related thread to turn into discussions about Ripple. It's certainly not very productive.
mjr_: hi TradeFortress
davout: please refer to this masterpiece of french culture for more information regarding this delicious expression :
davout: it's actually for guys too
mircea_popescu: that the way to order a girl in the nude in french refers to her body hair.
mircea_popescu: of course it may come as a shock to the prissy english types
davout: ta meuf c'est ton chauffeur quoi
fiat500: LOL@ those remotes
mircea_popescu: fiat500 the guy's son neh ?
mircea_popescu: this could of course simply be caused by them being femals.
fiat500: mircea_popescu: im sure you read about that kid who grew up on sealand, got kidnapped by a gang of german/dutch thugs and held at gunpoint
davout: but that's actually what's happening already
mircea_popescu: need a boris vian to execute it.
davout: what would be fun would be someone starting a clinic based on his theme hospital experience
mircea_popescu: just needs to find the right button to cluck at.
mircea_popescu: like the original poster. there's about one a day since about march.
mircea_popescu: the countless idiots who keep going "herp, i am going to start a new country"
mircea_popescu: not the other people in that thread.
fiat500: well - they're asking him valid questions?
mircea_popescu: da fuck is wrong with these people.
mircea_popescu: lol at that thread.
jurov: OP REPLIED TO ME "someone don't know the difference between turnover/revenue and share price"
parseval: Ugh, there is nothing like a simple fix that you overlook
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