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mircea_popescu: o, is that last true ?
davout: i'm saying, if it's secure, and easy, it'll get traffic, if you have traffic you can monetize it, the best way, IMO, to monetize traffic from noobs is to sell them coins
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla "Due to the lack of volume and the need to restructure our screen layout we have decided to remove all trading pairs that do not include BTC."
mircea_popescu: just saying, this design is strategically weak
Scrat: but I guess you'll have an agreement with piuk if you do that
davout: mircea_popescu: well, at that point i'll make use of the blockchain.io domain i bought a while ago and have it run a patched instance of bitcoind, or bitcoin-ruby for the same purpose
mircea_popescu: well... untiul blockchain info decides they want most of it.
davout: if it's provably as secure as blockchain.info and easier to use it would get loads of traffic, just layer some easy service to buy coins on top and i think you can make decent money
Scrat: davout: I'd do a cookie stored uid, then you can enter that into a POST to access your wallet if you have deleted it
mircea_popescu: i don't think that revenue would be very large.
davout: also since the revenue is generated in BTC we can IPO if our business model makes sense
davout: and we get the advertising revenue or w/e
davout: so blockchain.info gets the server load
davout: and we never touch it, we can't spend it, we can serve it as a static HTML page, plugs itself into blockchain.info for all bitcoin related needs
davout: not quite, your money *is* the password
davout: address gets derived from the private key
davout: SHA256(URL+password) is the private key
davout: when you visit the URL you get prompted for a password
mircea_popescu: what were you thinking ?
mircea_popescu: and the key generator might as well be a js the user downloads and runs locally.
davout: that's the idea, my implementation differs though
mircea_popescu: as you never have the keys and so can safely run bitcoind
davout: i was thinking differently
davout: that requires the extra separate step of generating the key
mircea_popescu: the only time you need to see the privkey is when he wants the btc sent.
mircea_popescu: you show him the btc addy, he sends there.
mircea_popescu: he goes to yoursite.com/publickey
mircea_popescu: it would work thusly : user generates a seed. from it user calculates a private key which he keeps and a public key
davout: how would that work ?
davout: so i guess it'd have to be combined with a password
davout: the problem is that even like this you have to trust the operator to not log requests
davout: i was thinking of sthg where the private key, and address are derived from the URL
mircea_popescu: it woudln't be a bad service, if someone were to make it in ON A SANE PLATFORM
davout: i want to relaunch it, but i have no interest in holding the coins
mjr_: for short term walleting
mjr_: i miss the service
mircea_popescu: yes, he keeps having as many coins in the morning as when he went to bed
mircea_popescu: which makes the cold worse
mircea_popescu: i invested in this ballerina and i'm completely exhausted
furuknap: So you invest in mining equipment and save a ton on electricity. Stop being so negative :-)
mircea_popescu: that storm that snowed up italy past few days moved here
mjr_: i caught up on some trilema posts
fiat500: perhaps even doing seizures in the eurozone! oh-em-gee
fiat500: given previous reasoning, this must mean the fed is cracking down on international stock markets!
BitHub: the only thing you have to worry about
BitHub: there's one thing in life, what is it? Moooooonnnneeeeeeeey
inhies: but it is teh only way to owning all the toys i want
inhies: but that doesnt mean it isnt a good goal
ThickAsThieves: friggin Jutarul posts an open sale for 2000 AM @ 2.5 (which was about .07 under market price), DT posts walls of 500 @ 2.5 & 2.6 on each exchange, and now market price will hang out under there for a good while. It's a free market n all, but their methods seem to be ill-conceived...
ThickAsThieves: like what do you think share value will be August 1st, or such
ThickAsThieves: and skip the complications of options
Namworld: 2.4 BTC a piece tied up, it would require
Namworld: Now that I think of it.
ThickAsThieves: what if i wanted to sell at 2.8
ericmuyser: it will before the next divs
Namworld: If they think price will keep stable/keep raising, it's a good deal. 0.10 BTC per share without losing them.
Namworld: Yeah, no one is because they believe price will crash
ThickAsThieves: not worth tying up the shares for that
Chaang-Noi: 2.5 is a reasonable place to short
Chaang-Noi: mp was trying to short at 1 btc lol :) sadly i dont trust him eough or i would ahve done it for the lulz
Namworld: Depends if it's a borrowed shares to be returned later with a bonus kind of short or puts contract kind of short
ericmuyser: what you want is to buy good puts but there are none :)
ThickAsThieves: everyone keep saying they wanna short it, but no one is making real offers
ThickAsThieves: minimum timeframe
ThickAsThieves: i realized that was probly the case after i said it
Namworld: Kind of the opposite of what I want to achieve
Namworld: and that means buying them at current prices...
ThickAsThieves: if you wanna short them so bad, write some Calls
ThickAsThieves: no one will short them the timframe you'd need to make decent money
Namworld: I need to short these AM shares
Chaang-Noi: honestly i would ave sold more lower if i had the time
Chaang-Noi: its just insane how fast the value of AM has gone up
ThickAsThieves: didnt realize it was THAT bad
Diablo-D3: its unconfirmed here too
ThickAsThieves: well then! ^
dub: join #bitcoin-trollbox then
Chaang-Noi: not talking about anyone anyone said in this chan, just spammers who pm me about random shit
dub: join #bitcoin-trollbox then
dub: join #bitcoin-trollbox then
pgp: and we're fighting this fight with one hand tied behind our backs
dub: small wonder they are ahead of the game
dub: colleague made a good point earlier today, in china they train hacking openly, in the west we treat hackers like criminals
kakobrekla: 0.008 works too
aknap3: in the meantime, sell... to me
aknap3: it'll be fine -- just got that massive auction, and a couple of walls to wait out
dub: retards panicing about unconfirmed tx
ThickAsThieves: but there's a lil more steam in AM i think
ThickAsThieves: yeah it might dip a little thisweek,
dub: theres a lot more retard left in AM I think
assbot: Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00067838 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: I missed the AM train though
Bugpowder: I think S.DICE is a good buy right now
thestringpuller: Bugpowder what's the strategy this month?
Bugpowder:  So if we have paid in 110% of this year, then we will be penalty proof next year.  So I need to pay an extra 10% this year of line 61. 
Bugpowder: If you pay 110% of the taxes that you paid for the last year, you are penalty proof on the next year even if the income really goes up. 
Bugpowder: He says treat it like Beanie Babies or stock.  (collectible or stocks.)
Bugpowder: First in first out. Another one is average cost.  First in first out will probably be the easiest way to handle it.
Bugpowder: Ways to account it:
Bugpowder: The thing that concerns him, is the Mt Gox account.  He says on our 2013 tax return, we need to disclose on 1040B.  Then file all the foreign forms,.  If you have more than $10 K / 50K ever in a foreign account, you need to disclose. 
Bugpowder: He thinks that we can do capital gains/losses. He doesn’t have any other advice out of what we sent him. There is no actual correct rule.