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jurov: my guess is
that
they are or will be subject
to incredible ddos
fiat500: lemme guess, bitvps is about
to launch an incredible new strategy, and
they want
to buy cheap shares
fiat500: why would anyone want
to manipulate something as mundane as bitvps?
usagi: Looks like someone manipulating
the markets.
Chaang-Noi: and at
the same
time someone bought a market buy of AM
ericmuyser: that was a huge sell into
the bids on bitvps i guess
jcpham: i know, its just old
to see
that spread
ericmuyser: someone sold 15 *into*
the bids, and someone else didn't want
to wait and bought *into*
the sells
ericmuyser: ya it's pretty obviously bitcoin's gain in
the short
term but do we really want money laundering's attraction? zzz
fiat500: Diablo-D3: what do you need from
the real world?
Diablo-D3: fiat500: becaues
the real world works in dollars.
fiat500: Diablo-D3:
thought just crossed my mind, why do you need fiat for DMC 2.0?
usagi: They ported quake 2
to javascript you know. It got 60 FPS on normal hardware quite a few years ago
usagi: It's a WORA language running in a VM
that is portable across anythig
that is worth owning
usagi: The
thing
that makes javascript so powerful is
that it IS what Java was supposed
to me.
ericmuyser: usagi:
thing
that makes js so powerful is
the wide adoption, everyone knows it, it has existing compilers everwhere. u cant just drop replace
that
Diablo-D3: so you just use compilers
that output asm.js
Diablo-D3: a very minimal js syntax
that basically illustrates a vm bytecode
Diablo-D3: Im somewhat supporting
the asm.js effort
though
ThickAsThieves: i have
to wait for burnside before anything else can be done
usagi: Javascript is
the end of all
things
fiat500: however, i will reimburse you manually (its like 0.024 btc
total, but
the principle is important)
fiat500: considering it was probably a bug
that caused
this, #1 is
the best option
jborkl: If 80% comes back,
that would be a win
jborkl: The simplest
thing, ask Burnside
to put up on
the announcement wall please return excess div. See what happens
ericmuyser: fiat500: some guy *just gets in
tomorrow* and he gets nothing?
ThickAsThieves: 2. Burnside puts negatives on
the accounts and reimburses what he cant collect
ericmuyser: fiat500: because people who are in now are not
the same who are in next week necessarily
fiat500: how is it unfair, you could consider
this 2nd payout an early payout of next week's divs
fiat500: you know
ThickAsThieves alternatively, you can just withhold next week's divs or only pay out
the difference
fiat500: ThickAsThieves: if you get in
touch with burnside, can you ask him
to process my 14btc withdrawal? i need
thems
jurov: that's prolly
the fastest way out
jurov: lol seems like bunch of folks will suddenly find out
they have negative balance
usagi: If your going
to build a JVM you might as well have built a compiler, whats
the effin diff
usagi: The
thing I hate about Java is
that you can reverse-engineer it so easily
fiat500: how would you liquidate
those?
Diablo-D3: usagi: oh, and
the jvm has no concept of
TCO
fiat500: ThickAsThieves:
the problem is a lot of people might have divs reinvestment set up
ericmuyser: ThickAsThieves: ya, he'd have
to force it, and
they could be out of
TAT and out of btct.co already
fiat500: burnside needs
to intervene
usagi: It's like closures. When
they introduce closures in J8 I still won't use
them because I don't care
fiat500: usagi: so youve never had
to build anything real or useful yet
usagi: The
thing is, your problems seem
theoretical.
ericmuyser: ThickAsThieves: sounds like burnside'll have
to reverse
the divs if
the system allows a negative balance and he's willing
to cause complication. seems like reimbursing you would be easier
Diablo-D3: sun's jvm still doesnt use llvm as
the backend
usagi: I've never needed lambda functions and I've never had a problem with
the GC
Diablo-D3: it doesnt have a green
threads/fibers implementation
Diablo-D3: its badly engineered, it still suffers from a stop
the world gc, its not sufficiently functional, it has no concept of lambda functions
usagi: Why is java bad
then?
Scrat: shows how much
they care
Scrat: even added
the ask
toolbar shitware on its desktop installer
Diablo-D3: So I am currently
the only one here allowed
to comment on how bad Java is.
Scrat: Sun fucked it in
the desktop
fiat500: Diablo-D3: hes either
trolling or will eventually change his mind
usagi: Isn't it funny
that
the java library mess is used by OO advocates
to say Java is shit? When
the
truth is, any OO success story would look
the same
usagi: Look at
the number of libraries available for Java. It is an OO resuse success story
ThickAsThieves: BTCTC system is all fucktarded, basically it
told me
the first payout was successfully cancelled
usagi: You can use Java
to create whatever language you need
to code your project faster
Diablo-D3: ericmuyser: I maintain a java program,
trust me, its not fast enough
usagi: Diablo, Java is going
to win...
ericmuyser: really dude?
the JVM got srsly fast in
the last few years
Diablo-D3: I
think java could succeed if
the jvm was unfucked
usagi: JVM is
the wave of
the future even if java
the language dies
usagi: The
thing is, JVM. JVM is not going
to die
usagi: Everything
that isn't C or Java (and java is c-based) is some ridiculous startup
that can't find a solid footing
fiat500: my opinion on java is
that it exists so
that
the weak minds have a language
to use
usagi: java is
the future
ericmuyser: his first one
turned
to CANCELED before
the second one, but
then it changes
to COMPLETED so it didn't really I guess
ericmuyser: I feel bad if he did,
that could be quite
the headache
fiat500: ThickAsThieves: you paid out
twice
ericmuyser: TAT pays out of pocket and he pays
twice.
TAT's
the man!
Diablo-D3: er, how did
TAT pay divs?
they're not out yet, still stuck in limbo
fiat500: or
things are getting worse, as jcpham says
fiat500: anyway my point is
that coinlab is
taking on new customers now, so perhaps
they reached a resolution with gox?
jcpham: fiat500 i
think
the lawsuit was coinlab's way of reciprocating
the contract breakage
Diablo-D3: usagi: you cant just say "lisp"
though
Diablo-D3: usagi: yeah,
theres really no reason not
to use erlang at
this point
fiat500: Chaang-Noi: i already bought all
the coins i want for
the
time being :P
fiat500: i wonder what
this means re:
their agreement with gox
ericmuyser: ThickAsThieves: got divs on
TAT on btct.co
Diablo-D3: usagi: actually, next went objc because it was easy
to use and
they had a hardon for smalltalk
fiat500: i just got an email from
their brokers saying
they could now
take my business
fiat500: they got back
to me 2 days later saying
they couldnt
take on any new clients
fiat500: i emailed coinlab asking
to buy 300btc