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Chaang-Noi: ThickAsThieves still waiting for shares
to be moved?
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fiat500: and we know how much hardware
they are selling (at least on
the forum)
fiat500: we know what
their mining returns are
Namworld: People know ASICMINER's hashrate, so can easily estimate
the divs...
fiat500: dub: either
that or
the people on
the forums are calculating divs correctly
dub: Is it me or does AM seem
to just pick whatever people are guessing
the div will be on
the forum and pay
that
fiat500: ThickAsThieves: "I fully disclose
that
the difficulty may increase or decrease in
the future and
the projected profit is an estimate."
fiat500: then it looks like you were manipulating it
to lower your buyback cost
fiat500: you cant even notify everyone globally of
this because it would/will affect
the share price
mircea_popescu: fiat500 me either, but people do have
trobule digesting stuff.
fiat500: dont
think its your responsibility
to hold
their hands
fiat500: nobody forced
them
to buy without reading
the
terms
Namworld: Problem is if people pay X premium over face value, and I buyback
tomorrow...
they'd complain
dub: jcpham lost
the chemtrails
Namworld: If I
then buyback
the bonds, people will complain -.-
fiat500: their
tagline is cheesy as fuck
mircea_popescu: well fi
the 100th guy could buy basics
then lose his money
then buy
these etc
fiat500: he stands by
the numbers, so,
time
to get
the popcorn
fiat500: ThickAsThieves: i
told him if he makes 10% of what he is claiming, people would still be impressed
fiat500: makes
the entire announcement unfalsifiable
fiat500: ThickAsThieves: "should AMC provide
the capital in
the next few weeks" is creepy
ThickAsThieves: "AMC Is Again Increasing Its Hash Power
To 5.651
TH/s Its Revenue
To $8,681,347"
mircea_popescu: early
to mid bfl drama was also pretty decent (they announced summer 2012, since about oct
to about jan it was fuicy)
mircea_popescu: fiat500 notice how
the may post is last edited november :D
dub: how is reptillia
tracking?
mircea_popescu: the fabled bitdaytrade including
the epic reddit
thread also
mircea_popescu: the joel katz notions of "shared fault"/cherry
truck are pretty decent
mircea_popescu: all
the pirate
threads pre-august, especially
the mpoe-pr bashing early 2012 are pretty good
ericmuyser: usagi went from java love
to javascript lover in 5 minutes. it was weird.
mircea_popescu: yeah, some of
the funny people of btc history are still active more or less.
fiat500: and usagi was in here earlier
too,
trolling about java
fiat500: oh god i just read about
the NYAN
thing, man i missed some juicy catastrophes
rdponticelli: I remember some blog entry about gpg contracts,
talking about people honouring he's word... nice stuf...
rdponticelli: If somebody doesn't have
the good will
to reach an agreement, I can write off a debt, what I can't write off is an impression...
rdponticelli: As far as I'm concerned, disputed stuff should be agreed upon by
the interested parties...
mircea_popescu: rdponticelli still, disputed stuff will have
to be adjudicated somehow.
rdponticelli: I
think I saw something like
that somewhere....
rdponticelli: Ok, so let's build a law system, a court, a police
to save everybody from
themselves... Oh, wait...
mircea_popescu: no,
the affairs of people progressively become more complex
than
their ability
to comprehend
them. meanwhile
their revulsion of loss and desire
to gain remains strictly oriented.
this causes conflict.
rdponticelli: Usually it works when you're dealing with gentlemans but sadly, only in
that case...
rdponticelli: I just say
that good will is better
than courts...
mircea_popescu: Namworld
that's just an edge of
the matter. if i allowed him
to do it one day he could stand up in court as a state witness accusing me of conspiracy
to commit various crimes.
Namworld: I'm really pissed about
that anyway... I don't see claiming as risk.
mircea_popescu: rdponticelli
that's what courts do : when one party considers it has a claim and
the other party does not,
they mediate
the dispute
Namworld: I don't
think mircea would be
the kind
to
trust anyone else
to process something for him when he owes
the stuff
to others.
rdponticelli: But it isn't very polite leave somebody
talking alone...
rdponticelli: I really
thing
that between gentlemens
there's no need for courts...
rdponticelli: Namworld: Well, I can understand
that, and
that's why I said I could
take care of
that...
mircea_popescu: iguess
the moral of
the story is
that one's well advised
to negotiate very early rather
than very late on one hand
Namworld: Technically it wouldn't costs mircea a lot
to claim. But mircea seems
to consider signing
the stuff and giving his ID a risk.
rdponticelli: You're, I even
tried
to bail out you from
the process
mircea_popescu: you're reasonable up
to
the point where you go "you're covered". but anyway.
rdponticelli: Look,
the
thing is simple. You betted
that giga wouldn't be paying, I betted
that he would...
KRS-1: are
there really russian womens for sale
there who can be my wife
mircea_popescu: but
that aside, i
thought
the case was you had a 20ish investment, which is why i mentioned. i see you have a point, so.
mircea_popescu: that's why plea bargains work before
the verdict rather
than after.
KRS-1: need moar
trilema pics
KRS-1: i prefer
the prostitute method
mircea_popescu: there's
two ways
to go about
things. you can prosecute or negotiate.
the
time
to negotiate was
then. sadly
the possibilities
to prosecute kinda died with
the death of
the rota, leaving you hanging
there
too.
rdponticelli: I proposed
to
take care of
the process, you declined...
rdponticelli: Anyway,
the situation
today is giga is paying...
fiat500: out of curiosity mircea_popescu, why did you decide not
to follow gigavps' claim process (assuming you didn't, i may have missed something while reading up in
the forums)
mircea_popescu: yeah, i'm not negotating
that in may.
time
to negotiate it was last year, when closure was announced.
jborkl: back when pirate40 was all
the rage
mircea_popescu: ok, so for my curiosity, what was
the original investment
there ?
rdponticelli: 2x btc are
the accrued dividends since you closed
the fund, giga paid
that
mircea_popescu: those bonds, i nthe best of circumstances, are worth .2 BTC
today
rdponticelli: mircea_popescu: I'm just stating
the fact of what happened
mircea_popescu: the fact
that he's
taken
the rest of it
through whatever bizzare glbse stuff is a very much unrelated problem.
mircea_popescu: rdponticelli re your forum
thing : you're muddying
things up.
jborkl: they should have named ripple - Herpescoin - you don't know who is going
to give you Herpes or or
that you might have gotten bad Herpes from someone you don't know
jborkl: no,
the one
that has
the
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