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benkay: and i'm stealthily equating the purchase of VM with the purchase of real hardware, which depreciates to zero
ThickAsThieves: difficulty rocketed the two weeks after release
ThickAsThieves: do we really want that?
ThickAsThieves: but then i'd have to teach everyone how to join IRC
ThickAsThieves: the formula is of course included in the description
benkay: can't live with 'em, can't read their emails without wanting to rip your eyeballs out.
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> the type of retards causing the problems get pissy about being marginalised and move <<
mircea_popescu: what;'s up thestringpuller
ThickAsThieves: and even altering the design
mircea_popescu: anyone with a clue would just call things what they are (ie, futures) rather than pretend they're "making a company"
mircea_popescu: basically you're taking the owner's cp risk in a futures contract.
mircea_popescu: well, they ride on the name of whoever makes them.
ThickAsThieves: saying what they are at the start
mircea_popescu: course this all may be before your time
mircea_popescu: that's why people like goat or ciuciu never actually producing proof of their supposed mining hardware are iffy.
mircea_popescu: not really. this is why the operator shows his rigs etc.
ThickAsThieves: other than ones that actually prove they have ghardware or sell it
ThickAsThieves: in theory, every single mining asset could be this
mircea_popescu: as absurd as that may sound on the face.
ThickAsThieves: SG stuff was all totally fake though right?
ThickAsThieves: so essentially BTCT.co is this?
mircea_popescu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stock_Generation there
mircea_popescu: how do you google with this thing ?
ThickAsThieves: that they peddle assets without building trust first?
ThickAsThieves: what makes picostocks the next order?
mircea_popescu: or anyway. stock generation type of things.
ThickAsThieves: what's the higher order of ponzis and rapidly commoditized markets?
mircea_popescu: the type of retards causing the problems get pissy about being marginalised and move
mircea_popescu: benkay yes, actually. once actual investors become the majority,
benkay: will it ever in this?
benkay: has the supply of amateur professional investors been exhausted in the traditional markets?
ThickAsThieves: when the supply of amatuer professional bitcoin investors is exhausted
benkay: when do you anticipate assplosion of failure, TAT?
ThickAsThieves: Deprived won though
mircea_popescu: what better than "Every noob is making one"
mircea_popescu: srsly, if you need proof the shit's a dfucking scam
ThickAsThieves: this is the way the world ends!
mircea_popescu: another perpetual mining bond is going to be trade on BTCT.CO SOSLOVE868
ThickAsThieves: nice having ozbot around tho
mircea_popescu: how doth this work, logically.
mircea_popescu: jborkl_ not a matter of dumb necessarily more like meaningless. you are using his system (therefore trusting it) to express... your lack of trust in him.
mircea_popescu: soon enough they'll start writing in german
mircea_popescu: "-Epic Talent Acquisition for Cryptocurrency Enterprise Demands"
jborkl_: well, I agree it is dumb- not arguing that
jborkl_: that is what TAT was referring to
jborkl_: I mean on the forum
ThickAsThieves: i bet most dont have the balls to rate him negatibe
dub: whats theymos trust rating looking like?
ThickAsThieves: Jurov, where are the iDiff-Es?
mircea_popescu: i bet you that a full investigation would reveal every single auiction ever conducted on that forum had shill bidding
ThickAsThieves: We have standards when it comes to scammers, cmon now!
kakobrekla: >If you mistrust Garr255, use the trust system. I'm not going to remove anyone from the default trust network for rating Garr255 negatively. But scammer tags require a more severe crime than just going against the expectations of bidders.
parseval: I really need to make that candlestick graph
parseval: Such a wide spread today
ThickAsThieves: less than a week
ThickAsThieves: I will have an announcement soon though
ThickAsThieves: otherwise, in private conversations with people in the know
ThickAsThieves: when they are ready, as forum threads
ThickAsThieves: luck separates the brave from the foolish
ThickAsThieves: this is not the path currently anyway
benkay: but the usual suspects have their hands somewhat full
ThickAsThieves: depends who I hand it to
benkay: you've spent a serious amount of time building your identity and trust therein. handing that over is going to be extremely nontrivial.
ThickAsThieves: since they are backed
ThickAsThieves: which would be a bit more tricky in that case
ThickAsThieves: and ability to pass to someone else as well
ThickAsThieves: Ihave two methods of buyout
ThickAsThieves: with TATVM
ThickAsThieves: I could pass it to someone else
ThickAsThieves: well with TAT.AM
benkay: is this a perpetual hustle? how do you plan to extricate yourself?
ThickAsThieves: i can close them anytime
ThickAsThieves: not that i want to
benkay: man, you're chasing freedom and running a thing where you have shareholders
ThickAsThieves: and i reserve the right to do whatever is in the best interest of shareholders
parseval: But then I'd only sell off a portion of the shares, so if it came to voting I'd have all of the sway anyway
ThickAsThieves: yu can take whatever cut you chose?
ThickAsThieves: oh, so the arrangement with investors is not binding?
dooglus: and have a part of the bankroll myself. I don't need to make much for the site to support itself
parseval: Not necessarily, dooglus.. You could have players bet against each other. Kind of like bitbet with a 'market prediction' system where you take a rakeback
dooglus: I don't know, to be honest. I charge a 1% commission on investor net profits per week
ThickAsThieves: are you retaining enough of the winnings for yourself?
dooglus: the casino needs money to be able to offer bets though, right? I don't know whether the player will win or lose until he plays, so I have to have money to back his bet
ThickAsThieves: [22:45] <mircea_popescu> total mismatch.
ThickAsThieves: [22:45] <mircea_popescu> this model ensures he has money one time and one time only : when it just won.
ThickAsThieves: [22:45] <mircea_popescu> the casino needs money one time and one time only : when it just lost.
ThickAsThieves: [22:44] <Bugpowder> but I think it is optimal for other investors
ThickAsThieves: [22:44] <mircea_popescu> it will wreck the site.
ThickAsThieves: [22:44] <mircea_popescu> the genius idea is actually a very bad idea, but anyway.
ThickAsThieves: here's the relevant commentary
ThickAsThieves: glad to see you here dooglus
parseval: Good time to sell :)
benkay: scuse me. moving to pm
benkay_: paper chase or pussy chase, there is only the game.
benkay_: there is only the game
ThickAsThieves: so you like the game
benkay_: also i don't really mean flowers, i mean the various shiny objects they covet.
benkay_: and mendicants are smelly and unlikely to find access to the sweetest of ladyparts
ThickAsThieves: you can pick them yourself
benkay_: can't say as it appeals terribly.