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thestringpuller: Maxis said the same thing about the SimCity reboot.
ThickAsThieves: to see the vision
ThickAsThieves: i just think you need to wait a bit more
thestringpuller: evolution still applies to life, despite what any creationist wants to say
ThickAsThieves: but not necessarily the one syou choose
thestringpuller: atoms still form to make molecules
thestringpuller: just because you can dunk doesn't mean you shouldn't make your free throws
thestringpuller: the paradigm shift isn't the issue it's the fundamentals beneath it
ThickAsThieves: that things don't change
thestringpuller: these aren't my concerns, these are things that have been discussed thoroughly for years, and are still discussed
ThickAsThieves: this presumes a few things that shouldnt be
ThickAsThieves: onto something that is not yours
thestringpuller: ThickAsThieves: I'm not looking for problems. I'm worried that too much is dependent on the playerbase and not the designer. Or perhaps more specifically too much of the "end experience" or whatever you want to call it is dependent on evolution.
mircea_popescu: anyway, bed. we continue tomorro.
thestringpuller: so the towns will be created by designers?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: you stated there are no towns
mircea_popescu: make them fucking beautiful or go home
mircea_popescu: it'll be great, because if playerbase goes "meh, there's no flying horses" i'm just gonna go well, have you made flying horse models ?
ThickAsThieves: thestringpuller, this game will mostly consist of all that you fear most
mircea_popescu: they'll do it if/when they get around to it, if they even feel like doing it.
mircea_popescu: huge difference there.
mircea_popescu: the game is however not going to prevent players from constructing useful shit.
mircea_popescu: dude, the game isn't based on players constructing anything.
thestringpuller: a game based on player's constructing the world is limited. their contributions are as finite as the economy proposed. this means at launch there is 0, and everything is being hedged to getting to 1.
mircea_popescu: but i am going to bed, so. take care.
ThickAsThieves: sounded like you have bad news too?
mircea_popescu: few like closer to a dozen by now.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller i don't think the "full play experience" will be evident period. as i imagine it'll keep on changing
Apocalyptic: how many people are working on this ?
mircea_popescu: oook so the good news is i've just been shown the server working
ThickAsThieves: you're the precog here it seems
ThickAsThieves: you don't even know 5% of how the game will exist
thestringpuller: it does if you expect player made things to magically appear during launch
ThickAsThieves: you dont think that can be designed around?
thestringpuller: that's irrelevant, the full play experience won't be evident for at least a year
thestringpuller: As the player space grows that is.
thestringpuller: Player based emergent depends on simple interactions between players. With a limited player space, you have limited emergence meaning the full experience isn't evident for some X duration.
ThickAsThieves: and they have chosen a genre likely to be accepted by that community
ThickAsThieves: as i see it, S.MG is bringing a product to an appropriate community
thestringpuller: I don't think you're getting it.
thestringpuller: For that very reason.
ThickAsThieves: how can you say he's too anything when it's like 10 days old
thestringpuller: but perhaps that is a risk worth taking.
thestringpuller: I still think you're hedging too much on emergent gameplay early on
ThickAsThieves: great thing for bitcoin
ThickAsThieves: i'm really looking forward to this game
mircea_popescu: well if you want a hat one of the easiest ways is to make it.
thestringpuller: Blizzard is currently propping up Activision since they have like products
ThickAsThieves: and re-use models like 20 times
ThickAsThieves: dont be all timid about custom 3d models for items, shit drives me crazy
thestringpuller: i have the chrono trigger theme stuck in my head
mircea_popescu: prolly not going to waste art time on it at the start.
ThickAsThieves: never played that either
mircea_popescu: well eventually there will be anything.
ThickAsThieves: ie useless items that cost bitcoins
ThickAsThieves: will there be hats?
ThickAsThieves: since there's no "gold"
ThickAsThieves: will battles or drops involve bitcoins too?
ThickAsThieves: i had a question about the game
ThickAsThieves: oh that reminds me
thestringpuller: is he over there building bitcoin rapture
ThickAsThieves: i think
thestringpuller: 3 and 5 were never released in the US
ThickAsThieves: ff2 was the shit
thestringpuller: it was ff3 on the SNES in the US
thestringpuller: I think Final Fantasy 6 was more steam punk than Chrono Trigger tbh
ThickAsThieves: left enuf of an impression for me to remember 20 yrs later or whatever
thestringpuller: lavos is a lot like cthulu now that I think of it
thestringpuller: And maybe the steam powered ship
thestringpuller: Robo was like the only steam powered thing.
ThickAsThieves: steampunk robot and character to his right
mircea_popescu: it was pretty good at its time
mircea_popescu: i think arcanum obscura thing is the one steampunk title
thestringpuller: There was a lot of electricity in that game.
thestringpuller: I remember a lot of random ass time travel though.
thestringpuller: I don't remember much steam punk at all in Chrono Trigger...
mircea_popescu: did westinghouse invent that ?
thestringpuller: Steam powered time travel?
mircea_popescu: at this rate you'll end up mixing fallout in
ThickAsThieves: it was steampunky and i am assuming there are a fair amount of steamers that playe dit
thestringpuller: da fuck does Chrono Trigger have to do with Steam Punk?
ThickAsThieves: ok that pic confirms this is band geeks stage 2
mircea_popescu: and that's that.
mircea_popescu: basically they got huddled into a corner by some buyreaucrats
ThickAsThieves: what will steampunks turn to after they get their own tv show?
mircea_popescu: and that weird fucking boat...
ThickAsThieves: is Jacques Cousteau in there somewhere?
mircea_popescu: taub_ yea we've kinda been over that lolzpile
mircea_popescu: i wonder who the steampunk fat chick that broke the bike is
taub_: they shouldn't call it steampunk, there is no punk in steampunk
ThickAsThieves: is Tesla the steampunk Jesus?
mircea_popescu: But Telsa came into conflict with Thomas Edison, America’s foremost inventor at the time, and Edison’s superior sense of business and advertising destroyed Tesla’s reputation and left him and many of his ideas frustrated and unfulfilled. Thankfully, with the rise of steampunk and a renewed interest in nineteenth century science, Tesla has come back into the public eye and, one hopes, will finally get the recognit
mircea_popescu: The story of Nikola Tesla is one of the great personal tragedies of modern history. Arguably one of the greatest scientific geniuses of all time, Tesla faced poverty, slander and persecution during his lifetime.
ThickAsThieves: he uses his creativity, individuality, and judgement to desanctify creativity, individuality, morality and the sanctity of life
mircea_popescu: Over the course of the film, Lowry dreams of a beautiful woman who he finally meets in life and who he struggles to help save from the bureaucratic system. While the story is well done and engaging, the most important part of Brazil is not the plot, but rather the horrific world that is occurs in.
ThickAsThieves: "Sentiments such as creativity, individuality, morality and the sanctity of life have no meaning in such a world" isn't that like ultimate irony?
mircea_popescu: he writes these collegiate essay type of things that are just awful outside of the college
mircea_popescu: "Sentiments such as creativity, individuality, morality and the sanctity of life have no meaning in such a world"
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