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furuknap: Can't comply, sorry. Whether you acknowledge it or not, it still exists and affects pricing
today.
furuknap: With
the halving effect, AM is losing money for investors every week. With 30TH
they wouldn't even beat NASDAQ composite.
furuknap: Well,
to be nice
to
them, I used
their purchased 62TH when calculating. With
the 30TH, it would look very bad.
furuknap: You're not unlucky just one day of
the week,
though.
furuknap: It's reverse calculated by looking at
the blocks
they solve, not
the actual hashrate, so yes,
to some extent. I wouldn't call it guess but it is based on luck.
Menoetius: isn't
the publicly known AM hashrate just a guess based on luck ?
ThickAsThieves: random observation, AM farm hashing
temporarily declines significantly on Monday for
the past 3 weeks
parseval: I lost
those logs you sent me,
TAT
ThickAsThieves: that's really
the only
thing
that can stop
the decline,
that or massive resilient hoarding
pankkake: so, how low bitcoin is going
to fall? :)
jurov: if one wants
to consider mtgox at all
jurov: still, it's better
to wait and see if
they are really clearing
the backlog
Namworld: Didn't find
the light color
too annoying. It's not like most backgrounds on
the web around light colored with dark
text.
Namworld: Those headers are
the darkest colors available, short of black, on Google Spreadsheets
Namworld: The
tools are just
to retrieve
the data
through
the various APIs and insert it in Google Docs so eh =/
Namworld: You can choose whatever colors you want and what data/calcs
to make if you make one =P
parseval: I'd be happy with getting early API access at
this point :)
ThickAsThieves: Nam, you should make
the spreadsheets not inverted colors
parseval: I was
thinking I'd leave it ad-free until I can start adding other stuff like escrow services or whatever
Namworld: I got a self-updating portfolio. But nothing
too fancy.
parseval: The people over at Dragon's
Tale might set up a PPC deal with me
parseval: Thanks. Oh, right... it was past
the month, and I was redesigning so I left it out.. I'm still debating whether I want
to
try hitting you up for more btc ;)
parseval: Did you see, I have pie charts now,
TAT
parseval: Such a nice spread last night
too
parseval: I
think
this year I'll be celebrating George Orwell's birthday
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD
ticker | Best bid: 79.03200, Best ask: 79.03990, Bid-ask spread: 0.00790, Last
trade: 79.03100, 24 hour volume: 109684.30615342, 24 hour low: 72.00000, 24 hour high: 86.26000, 24 hour vwap: 79.66696
Chaang-Noi: <thestringpuller> mpoe
trades :P wow, i honestly assumed
the bot had quit reporting it, or it closed. insane
Namworld: No, I guess people mostly
trade Passthroughs and current holders are all keeping
their stocks or something.
assbot: Last
trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00077573 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: iv not seen a
ticker for mpex in forever, did it just close up?
Namworld: Beside, you'd want a dedicated processor if you wanted
to do hashing exclusively, hence ASICs...
Namworld: AMD just happens
to be somewhat good at hashing, but it's not something people would normally look for in
their GPU cluster.
Namworld: and hence why
they're used in clusters.
Namworld: I
think it's due
to more
tools/support and better stability or something like
that for Nvidia.
cads: Namworld: blind leading
the blind, lol
cads: (disclaimer -
take all
this with a grain of salt - I'm speaking from very deep knowledge)
Namworld: I
thought
they had a pretty similar market share.
cads: not sure why AMD has been an underdog for so long -
the situation's been similar between
them and intel, with intel being more popular despite AMD offering, in my opinion, a better product
cads: while AMDs have
tended
to give more honest performance for
the buck
Namworld: gamers seems
to prefer
the high end Nvidia cards
too for some reason.
Namworld: No, it's just
that Nvidia is slightly better for
traditional GPU usage. AMD is more of consumer grade GPUs for playing games.
The way
they're made,
they're also good for some other calculations like hashing.
cads: Namworld: after a simple search I don't find any companies
that offer AMD GPU clusters, which stinks.
cads: I know for certain
things like engineering simulations, consultants can provide huge markups on
their work (which consists of, say, a Finite Element Analysis of a product), and it makes great sense
to run in a High Performance Computing cloud.
Namworld: They don't rent a Nvidia at 1/10th of
the cost it would be
to run
the AMD equivalent at home =P
Namworld: Economies of scale is all fine, but if
the GPU you rent are 5-10
times slower
than AMDs but cost
the same
to buy...
Namworld: If
they offered
the AMD equivalent for
the same price
they do
their Nvidia cluster, might be worth it
to rent.
cads: running in
the cloud, you have
to pay all of
that, amortized by
the service provider, and you also have
to pay a profit for
the provider
cads: but I also have doubts - running at home,
they just have
to pay capital costs, electricity, minimal maintenance, and depreciation
cads: I have a feeling
that people running GPUs like mad might actually save
time and perhaps even cash by running in
the cloud
Namworld: Never bothered
to get a better PSU
to mine.
cads: I have
to find out how competitive cloud based GPU clusters are
Namworld: It runs fine for gaming
tho, which is all
that matters.
cads: in any case I agree - even 102 core-year cost would not be
too great.
Namworld: and I can't get vanityminer
to run on my 6990 for some reason
to
try it.
Namworld: Yeah, I'm not sure at all... I remembered
the difference between CPU/GPU being similar
to hashing... but it's been a long while since I
tested.
cads: and not something
that GPUs can do very well
cads: Namworld: I might be wrong by now, but at one point I learned
that creating elliptic curve keys is altogether separate from
the Sha hashing
that GPUs excel at.
Namworld: Costs aren't
too prohibitive
to do
that =P
Namworld: A high-end GPU can probably find 1Microsoft pattern in far less
than 1 month.
Namworld: Just like CPU would get a few hundred
thousand keys/hash per seconds, a high-end GPU can go a over a
thousand
time faster.
Namworld: I got a six core CPU and it goes on at 102 years estimated
to find 1Microsoft pattern.
cads: so a company like Microsoft could do it without batting an eyelash, if
they
thought having a custom "1Microsoft31uEbMgunupShBVTewXjtqbBb" key
Namworld: You can generate private keys all you want, finding one which match just a short part of a public address
takes so many.
cads: But hey, 15K core-years costs only about $6M on
the Amazon Ec2 cloud computing network.
Namworld: There's a reason why it's considered hard/impossible
to have a full collision while generating a private key for an existing full Bitcoin address.
cads: 15
thousand cpu-core-years
to do it, lol.
cads: oh, I made a mistake -- multiply
that number by 56.
cads: rather, it would
take around
that
time for it
to get a 50% chance of success
cads: it would
take my poor laptop computer around 256 years
to compute
the vanity address starting with "Microsoft"
Namworld: It's not like generating more
than 8 characters for a vanity address is easy anyway...
cads: That's a good practice - I do
that for passwords where having a longer password beats doing a
typo or
transcription error