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mjr_: seriously say
that you will def do
the
transaction...in 2 weeks
time
Namworld: No one serious uses
that argument.
mjr_: and
that wasn't directed at you San1ty
mjr_: anyways, if you can't assimilate
this from people warning constantly,
then go get scammed...but at least if you
take
that advice you will only lose one bitcoin, and hopefully never another one
San1ty_: Time
to head home and get my mind of
this.
San1ty_: I've had it for
today guys.
mjr_: this is my first
transaction
mjr_: say something like "i've never really done
this before"
mjr_: pretend
to seem really nervous about
the fact
that you are putting yourself out
there
mjr_: tell
them you have
to run soon, you have plans in an hour
mjr_: commiserate about how many scammers
there are
mjr_: pretend
to be a huge bitcoin fan
mjr_: maybe use a sob story....a little small
talk
Namworld: pigeons, but you announced it! You're not virulant enough
to provide immunity. You need
to lie
to me,
trick me, use subterfuge.
mjr_: scammers don't
think like you
mjr_: you are you,
they are not you...
mjr_: oh, you aren't at your home computer I CAN PICTURE MYSELF BEING IN
THAT SITUATION, sure it's ok
that you don't authenticate
mjr_: and i
think you are
too now
San1ty_: mjr_ would a donation of 21 BTC directed
to me cut it?
pigeons: anyone who would like me
to scam
them
to build
their immunity as mjr suggests
mjr_: but i
think mircea_popescu's article was great
pigeons: i will help anyone who would like
to
try
that suggestion
San1ty_: I can be your scammer for
today.
mjr_: i was going
to write a blog post about
this
mjr_: and paying close attention
to
the exact
things going on
rulother: yeah I know, being an investor
those
things will haunt you, but gotta learn
to live with it lol
mjr_: anyway, i recommend people get a scamming "vaccine" by allowing
themselves
to be scammed for a small amount
mjr_: once you realize
that
there are physiological
things going on, you can basically sit back and observe your feelings, and you know why you are feeling
those
things
mjr_: if you want
to know a real explanation, i'd suggest reading
the hour between dog and wolf
rulother: I had around 1500
that I sold off at
the beginning
San1ty_: the 21 BTC he stole went
to just-dice
rulother: Yeah no doubt just did
the math at its peak
mircea_popescu: i could list all
the "i could have"'s all
the way
to billions you know.
mircea_popescu: "Hey, Virgil!
This here's Floyd....Did
the Sheriff come?"
Namworld: Could have made a really nice sale at 250 with
those BTCs
mircea_popescu: Using axes,
they bust open every piece of wood, but find no marijuana.
They sneer at Virgil and leave.
mircea_popescu: The next day,
the Sheriff's Deputies descend on Virgil's house.
They search
the shed where
the firewood is kept.
mircea_popescu: "I'm calling
to report 'bout my neighbor Virgil Smith....He's hidin' marijuana inside his firewood! Don't quite know how he gets it inside
them logs, but he's hidin' it
there."
Namworld: That was last fall. Guy owed, never paid back
the loan extended
to him.
mircea_popescu: she
thought she;'s really clever by always begging with a new address, but
then
there's chatlogs.
mircea_popescu: some camwhore working just-dice chat kept losing it all
there
San1ty_: And when I
track where my 21 BTC went it looks like it went
to some fucking dice game...
rulother: 769 btcs,
That's a
ton... hope
that was before
the spike in Jan. Less hurt
San1ty_: Yeah actually
this guy kind of was in a hurry
Namworld: Sometimes
they actually have
the
thing, and can prove it, but are in a hurry. Usually it's be able
to sell
the same
thing multiple
times
to different people.
They need
the funds quick before any party realize what happened.
ozbot: Vultures, vultures everywhere! pe
Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mjr_: we will settle
this within 2 weeks
Namworld: If someone needs
the funds quickly, never a good sign...
mjr_: yep,
the biggest
trick is
the
time,
they are INCREDIBLY
time sensitive
ThickAsThieves: explaining how
time is
the one
thing scammers can't control
mjr_: their
time constraints could be viewed as reasonable
mjr_: but just see how
they manipulate
the very fact
that you ARE reasonable
mjr_: or just let
them
try
to walk you
through
their scam, if you have no intention of actually going
through with it
mjr_: either let yourself be scammed for a
tiny amount
mjr_: get used
to how it feels
mjr_: put yourself in
that position
Namworld: It gets easier
to spot scams with
time.
San1ty_: ThickAsThieves: Ain't helping me now isn't it. But yes I should do it in
the future...
Namworld: If you don't
trust anyone, you don't get
to
trade
tho.
ThickAsThieves: San1ty, I do AM escrow for .5btc or .5%, whichever is greater. Small price
to pay.
San1ty_: Yeah, You just need
to start with
the attitude, everyone is scum
that is out
to get me.
mjr_: so you
think, well its fair
to at least send some of my side of
the bargain first
San1ty_: Apocaly: Yes
that Lemon, He stole 10 BTC from me with his "Crypto.PM Investment Scheme"
mjr_: how do
they know i'll do my part
mjr_: and you
think rationally, well, why should
they
trust me?
mjr_: but i really need you
to send
the coins now
mjr_: specifically so i would have a baseline level of what it feels like, and how
the process works
San1ty_: Worst part is I already lost 10 BTC with
the Lemon scam story.
Namworld: Of course
the forum is one of
the easy
target around
the web for scammers.
mjr_: but if you remember
those feelings, it will never happen again
Namworld: You basically have something
the scammed can't reverse and can't be found.
mjr_: the excitment,
the sense of urgency,
the worry
that you would offend
San1ty_: I just hate
to be
that pain in
the ass guy
that demands confirmations, escrow, more confirmations...
mjr_: anyways, my point is simply
this, always remember exactly how you felt
mjr_: so
they say, "that would be rude"
mircea_popescu: well...
the entire share
transfer
thing am uses is pretty insane anyway.
San1ty_: Everyone always says use Escrow because apperently everyone is scum of
the earth at bitcointalk. It's a sad moment when you realize it's
true...
mjr_: probably remember feeling guilty for doubting
the other person's word
mjr_: remember any sense of urgency by
the other party
mjr_: remember how you felt when you wanted
the shares
mjr_: just remember
this exact feeling
San1ty_: Got scammed for 31 BTC in
total now.
Namworld: Some got
tens of
thousands stolen.
Apocaly: i just read
the Lemon default
thread, seems you're not lucky
San1ty_: The most frustrating part isn't even
the BTC, it's
the "how big of a douchebag can you be" part
rulother: Ah just read
through it, sucks man sorry
to hear
that.
San1ty_: I was retarded,
too much good faith in people. Always get punished for
that.
mjr_: mircea_popescu: I also dug up
that comic about how
the law is unknowable, which is especially relevant due
to prism, etc
jurov: yes, next
to it will be coinbr mermaid with "navigating btc investment safely"
thestrin1puller: it's from a show about
these romanians who move into a
twin peaks-like
town
ThickAsThieves: [10:47] <jurov> i guess
the point is invest or perish? << no, invest AND perish