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mp_en_viaje: i dunno, i'm kinda guessing here. maybe it's worth it for everyone to spend a moment think about it, make some definite statements, so each can redirect accordingly ?
mp_en_viaje: incidentally, speaking of http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-08#1926225 : hanbot is taking teenaged / twentysomething females meeting the pizdi bill ; i presume asciilifeform is taking highly intelligent, shy & introverted males age-irrespective, math grad student prototype while diana_coman is taking inquisitive teenagers age irrespective and BingoBoingo latam... females ?
billymg: ^ i put together a quick POC for e2e testing on mp-wp. i have to sign off for the night and will be away from my main machine this weekend but will be checking the logs/comments if anyone has any feedback
lobbes off to bed. saltmines early tomorrow, then I'll pick it back up
asciilifeform: lobbes: i can wait
lobbes: I can either pick it back up tomorrow night, or feel free to take that and do what you will
lobbes: not complete yet, but what I was able to get done tonight at least. Currently eats a single dir full of ZNC logs (assumes the format of e.g. "2017-03-25.log"), puts the files in chronological order, and shits them all into a single .txt files
asciilifeform: tho as i understand no timestamp is likely to match, so would have to diff with 'meld' or some other 'smart' differ
asciilifeform: if i had to write the wwwistics from 0, would have sat for another week+.
asciilifeform: lobbes: i 'cheated' by recycling components from front-end of phuctor, admittedly.
lobbes: direction on all *new* TMSR work/studies I take on.
lobbes: Re: my php logotron, I still intend to grunt that out, vpatch it, and stand up loggers. In addition I have no plans to discontinue any of my existing infrastructure either (auctionbot will keep auctioning; and when I die I have already vpatched it so someone else always pick up the torch). To be clear: Going forward, I will be voluntarily be stepping into knighthood so as to have a clearer focus and
lobbes: http://trilema.com/2019/trilema-goes-dark/#comment-130823 << Seeing as the order was given to strike scriba from the list, I have also removed it from the TMSR bot directory (which means the command prefix "!$" is available again): http://lobbesblog.com/static/tmsr_bot_directory.html
lobbes: i.e. I issue a command, and then the bot handles the rest
lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-08#1926199 << indeed gpgism, but it is not automatic. Plus you have to keep the bot's key on the iron running the thing. I can produce a vpatch once I get the znc-eater-shitter done (or asciilifeform beats me to it. whichever comes first)
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-because-i-said-so-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - "Because I Said So". Adnotated.
asciilifeform: i.e. whether to have kernelism knob for it
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i've been breaking my head against it since we built the thing in '16
mircea_popescu: i guess we try this crosslog thing see.
mircea_popescu: not what the spec ~actually~ satys, but i guess you went per tradition.
asciilifeform: ha i did already didnt i.
mircea_popescu: no i;m saying, current behaviour is corrdct but not per spec
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i realise now i didn't even spec the bot correctly, it's supposed to multiline if multi links
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-08 17:20:05 spyked: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-08#1926408 <-- on it. gotta run to sleep afterwards, but will be back in the morning and get up to date with l0gz. meanwhile, is it okay if I remove trilema comment PMs from the bot's message queue? otherwise it'll keep sending when I bring it back up, lol.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-08#1926447 << i guess i already saw them all so yes. but in general, kinda needs a permafix
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-08 16:59:01 diana_coman: and ftr I have no idea why did the other bots go for lisp anyway, did I miss somewhere the rationale for it?
mircea_popescu: i also don't know how i reason
mircea_popescu: i use... bash as least carcinogenic perl/python/php mysefl
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-08 16:57:14 asciilifeform: diana_coman: i use python as 'less carcinogenic' perl
spyked: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-08#1926408 <-- on it. gotta run to sleep afterwards, but will be back in the morning and get up to date with l0gz. meanwhile, is it okay if I remove trilema comment PMs from the bot's message queue? otherwise it'll keep sending when I bring it back up, lol.
diana_coman: ultimately sure; currently I don't know; I even sketched quickly an Ada thing - main trouble though is lack of proper db interface (and otherwise relying on GNAT.Sockets and therefore the whole strand of streams etc)
asciilifeform: i actually started to write one, lol! when this particular episode began. but quickly realized that it'll carry on for month+
asciilifeform: currently there aint a 'tmsr lang' in which can readily write wwwisms. (i dun even have a tcp end for gnat atm)
diana_coman: and ftr I have no idea why did the other bots go for lisp anyway, did I miss somewhere the rationale for it?
diana_coman: asciilifeform: do you have any suggestion for what might "sumthingelse" reasonably be? because I can't see it
asciilifeform: but deliberately wrote this one so it can be with minimal effort rewritten in sumthingelse (i.e. did not use py 'irc libs' or whatevers)
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i use python as 'less carcinogenic' perl
diana_coman: and I find out I didn't miss at all not using python for years; onth no idea what else would be better for such a task since it can't be really clean anyway
asciilifeform: unlike earlier ben_vulpes irc proggy, mine does not 'wait' for fleanode-specific warmup message (deliberate, i wanted to be able to stand it up behind e.g. znc , if desired)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as you can tell from last coupla comments on your www, even there i missed initially a spot of retardation (fleanode lets you auth, but if you join ~immediately~ then won't be authed for purpose of +r chans. this is documented nowhere.)
asciilifeform: PeterL: in order to actually attempt to 'fit in head' the barbaric protocol, i wrote bot on naked sockets, instead of using whatever-lib
PeterL: It's been a while since I coded a bot, is it possible to send a PING when you hit timeout rather then going straight to reconnecting?
asciilifeform: main problem is that right nao there is exactly 1 reliable logotron, so when i add knobs, will have to be cycled (will try to do when no one is awake)
mircea_popescu: so far i dun see a problem.
asciilifeform: initially i considered to have two-headed bot, with a slave who is kept around strictly if master falls. but this not implemented yet.
asciilifeform: i wrote the bot to use the www end's search function, so as to avoid having two duplicated searchtrons in there
mircea_popescu: maybe. tnh i dunno. maybe we end up standardizing some kinda help format.
diana_coman: fwiw I noticed and very much liked that knob, asciilifeform !
mircea_popescu: i guess so yeah.
asciilifeform: right nao i have 1 knob that phf did not, the activity ticker on top of page
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i asked for it ; and then i didn't find it that useful either. i'm guessing i just don't understand what wuld be useful exactly.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: phf's had the activity graph. i did not clone it
asciilifeform: i recall the 'ro digg' aha
mircea_popescu: it might be nice, have something like that for loggers, you know. though i dun specifically know what.
mircea_popescu: it's a data visualization, back then i ran a ro digg ; that's users / activity.
diana_coman: tbh I also don't quite grok what's the status re irc as there was the plan to move and so on
mircea_popescu: as crazy joe davola once said, "i like to encourage intruders"
asciilifeform: theoretically can sit it down behind znc, and run sslism to fleanode, but i fuckinhate sslism
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, honestly i wouldn't worry about this, let's see who steals it.
diana_coman: well, I surely plan to run another bot myself, yes
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: hm; the chan is meant to be official rather than community (like eulorum) so I suppose at some point we should, shouldn't we;
asciilifeform: ( phf's still worx, but i have nfi whether will for how long )
asciilifeform: would have to, as i understand, dispense with notion of time, and go by '# lines'
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, i meant, do you think we should
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re synced-loggers -- i sat for whole day thinking about this, but in the end came to same conclusion as mircea_popescu , i.e. that it is moar complicated than appears, fleanode will liberally reorder lines
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i had nfi 'qr' even existed in '80s
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i have a half-written 'raw csv' shitter knob, won't make it into genesis but prolly will be among 1st patches afte
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not easy to picture how might fuck up ocr pistol, but i suppose not impossible
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, oh oh. mine are the actual guns. i dunno, not THAT heavy, more bulky i guess. and rigid and so on. i should get newer, but then can you trust newer hardware ?
mircea_popescu: i have working ocrtron, just, didn't pack it. already diana ross over here, 200+lbs of shit.
mircea_popescu: yea ; or i could've jus ttaken ocr guns along. but somehow i was naive, the romanticism of the idea appealed at the onset.
mircea_popescu: i mean yes i got multiples, and the flesh is willing... but my spirit's weak, i confess i kinda like them.
asciilifeform: sorta how i pictured it, yes
mircea_popescu: do you realise every time i do a keyop it's ~half hour of slavegirl time going blind on asciisoup ?
asciilifeform: well can also do like we did FG site and mircea_popescu write 'hey make the grey deeper' and then asciilifeform goes an' turns knob. but, will take longer i expect.
mircea_popescu: i guess we find out if i can vpatch while traveling.
mircea_popescu: i guess there's no way i can wiggle out of this, is there
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: after genesis will be pretty easy to stand up local copy. so in fact if you like can set the colours in person and vpatch, i will read, sign, upload to dulap..
asciilifeform: ( if let's say i needed to move a coin, would have moved ? or also out to lunch )
asciilifeform: i cannot resist to ask, where the everliving fuck was trinque during all of this.
asciilifeform: which reminds me, another phfism i gotta clone, that paste-stasher
PeterL: yeah, I guess if somebody messages you then you can just say "talk to me in #whatever"
mircea_popescu: PeterL, let the lord make that call i think.
asciilifeform: then i think we're current
mircea_popescu: i dunno, i only read this and #eulora lolz
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu lemme know at any pt if you want chans in there (i think i got all the currently alive people)
asciilifeform: fwiw i left him out of the init roster. if he comes back to life will consider to add
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't send anyone to learn from mod6 as things stand.
mircea_popescu: ^ anyone else actively maintaining a castle i forgot in the list ?
mircea_popescu: i dun care tbh. i move too much anyway
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lemme know if you want the clock fiddled, i think it's gmt right nao
mircea_popescu: hey BingoBoingo now that i can drop it in, do you recall the lafond article in question ? i remember fucking reading it, but i can't find it again ;/
mircea_popescu: is there more stuff i need to do while op'd actually ?
mircea_popescu: i don't fucking get it though. how the fuck do lobbesbot and scriba have voice ?
mircea_popescu: damn. i'm not gonna do that now wth.
mp_en_viaje: i will be setting the #trilema channel to silence until we actually have working logs ; which is hopefully mid august. this situation where there's a single logger that's even still going coincidentally, perhaps because maintainer was so deeply unreachable others couldn't even reach out to sync downtime is too much to paper over.
mp_en_viaje: http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/07/time-estimation-for-logotron-based-off-of-logbot-august-18th/ << i guess we're stuck with this.
scriba: Logged on 2019-06-26: [17:45:27] <asciilifeform> iirc there exists a 'fetish' set who dream of... being eaten by cannibals. i never grasped exactly how this worx, psychologically, but entirely possib that 'is proof of my deliciousness!'
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2019-8-2#475987 << actually atm i'm stuck reading bv's logotron, because guess what!
mp_en_viaje: you're currently in this position where you've neither done anything useful nor said anything intelligent in years ; and i will send you packing the next time this comes around.